A Right To Enter | حق في الدخول


Written by Ramsey Tesdell

On the eve of the World Cup final I witnessed an incident that struck me – a Christian and non-Jordanian Jordanian (my mother can’t pass on her citizenship to me) living in a decidedly Muslim country – as particularly odd and humbling.

I went with a group of friends to a local pub in Amman to watch the game. I received an odd call, asking if a friend could join. “Of course” I said yes, no problem. He then said, but she’s covered, will they let her in? I responded, I’ve never heard of a covered woman being NOT being allowed in.

But that night, an argument ensued. The woman arrived and was promptly told she could not come in. Luckily, a strong-willed friend and a firecracker all the same, fought with them until they relented.
I was surprised when the woman mentioned it wasn’t her first time being sent away, and that previous establishment were unrelenting in denying her entry.

My question to you, is it ethical to deny someone the right to enter a local establishment simply because they are covered? Is it legal? (Officially, there is nothing on the books) Should it be illegal? Does the woman have a right to enter, or does the establishment retain the right to serve the customers of their choosing?

Why would a religious woman choose to visit a pub that serves alcohol? Or, to flip the argument, why shouldn’t she be able to decide for herself?

Go ahead, have your say.

بقلم رمزي تزدل

يوم المباراة النهائية لكأس العالم شهدت واقعة صدمتني – أنا المسيحي الأردني الغير أردني (لأن والدتي لا تملك حق منح جنسيتها لابنائها) – كأمر غريب وغير مألوف في بلد لا شك أنه إسلامي، سواء بدستوره أو القوانين والتشريعات التي تحكم أهله أو العادات السائدة.

ذهبت مع مجموعة من الأصدقاء لمشاهدة المباراة في إحدى حانات عمان، واتصل بي صديق ليسألني إذا كان بإمكانه إحضار شخص آخر. “بالطبع” أجبته. عندها قال “ولكنها محجبة، هل سيسمحوا لها بالدخول؟” فقلت له أني لم أسمع قط عن فتاة منعت من دخول محل لانها محجبة.

ولكن في تلك الليلة، وقع جدال إذ أن المرأة المعنية وصلت وقيل لها على الفور أنها لا تستطيع الدخول. لحسن الحظ كان معنا صديق عنيد ومتحمس وتشاجر مع المسؤولين إلى أن سمحوا لها بالدخول.

فوجئت عندما أخبرتنا لاحقا أن هذه ليست المرة الأولى التي تمنع من دخول محلات في عمان، وأن تلك المؤسسات لم ينفع معها النقاش ولم تستسلم في منعها.

سؤالي هو: هل من الأخلاقي أن تمنع مؤسسة امرأة من الدخول لأنها محجبة؟ هل هو قانوني؟ هل يجب أن يكون غير قانوني؟

هل هو من حقوقها أن تدخل أم هو حق المحل أن يحدد الزبائن الذي يريد خدمتهم؟

ما الذي يدفع امرأة متدينة أن تدخل حانة تقدم المشروبات الكحولية؟ ولعل الجانب الاخر هو: أليس من حقها أن تقرر ذلك بنفسها؟

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  • Haitham

    This is what I hate about our society, outcry erupts over European countries banning the burqa (not part of Islam) or building Minarets (not part of Islam as well), while in Jordan, girls are not employed because they wear hijab and Athan is not allowed in certain places in Amman! F***ers!

  • bambambi

    its simply the hypocrisy of social norms and classes … people are not entitled to their individuals the individuals are dealt with as euphemism for the labels that society ascribes to them…
    So you are no longer hiba the liberal mo7ajabeh … you are just a mo7ajabeh! stripped of all your individualism.

  • Basel

    Hijab is a religious icon. So there is contradiction in a covered a girl going out to a pub. About rules and laws, restaurants and pubs in Amman have their own policies to control their “crowd”. I do not think this is worse than the ” only coubles ” policy.

  • sharktapus

    This to me is the epitome of idiocy. Just because a person chooses to live their life in a particular way does not mean that gives everyone else the right to judge them and prevent them from going certain places. Yes, it is a pub, yes, she is wearing the hijab, but so what? If memory serves me correct, there are other things served at pubs other than alcohol, and if it is her choice to go to a pub to hang out with friends and have a good time, let her!

    I think denying her the right to enter a pub is like denying a vegetarian the right to enter a steak house (should said vegetarian choose to do so). Utterly ridiculous! Yet another reason why the gap between the polar societies of Jordan is widening.

    One last point: since when has forcibly taking away people's rights ever been a good idea?

  • Roula

    well, I don’t think it’s appropriate for a conservative girl to be in a bar or a nightclub but if it’s a restaurant that serves alcohol for me it would be fine but in both cases I should have the right to choose whether I want to go there or not. but it’s not a surprise or anything new about that we live in a schizophrenic society. I used to work for Lebanese Swiss Company (both are not Muslims) they were ok with me (m7ajabeh) working for them, and once I applied for a Jordanian Kuwaiti company (both are Muslims) at first they were interested when I sent the cover letter but when I sent my CV that contain my pic they told me sorry the position has been filled, the next day they called my friend to set an interview for the same position and later on my friend told me “ oh ya they don’t hire mo7ajabat”

  • http://twitter.com/aalhasani Ali Alhasani

    It's a pub and she is wearing Hijab. She should have the choice and i completely support that but it's still weird people!

  • ma7moodjo

    thats a really bad choice of words to start your comment !
    appropriate or not its not your decision to make ! its just like judging her based on your own beliefs …..

    and i have been to pubs with mo7ajabaat before and in those few occasions things went without any problem , while in other places we had some weird looks and some questions but those places never seem to mind because we put it in an easy way ” if you dont know the law i will make it clear for you and close you down in 5 minutes” . anyway i hope the day will come where everyone can enjoy his own freedom without any pressure from society !

    cheers

  • ma7moodjo

    Define Conservative please !
    because am under the impression that my sister for example decided to go hmmm lets say champions or rovers she's kind of a slut in your book !

    SAD

  • Obviously a male

    Exactly the same as the “للعائلات فقط” story. Nothing illegal going on here, or even unethical (in my opinion). Just pub owners controlling their crowd and by association their brand “image.”

    If you were a bar/pub owner, you might think:

    1- if somebody walks in and sees a veiled Muslim woman eating with her friends, that person might think “Impressive! the food must be THAT good!”

    But, you (as a pub owner) might also not be willing to risk the following:

    2- When somebody walks into your bar and sees a veiled woman sitting on a table that has men drinking. That person might think, “funny, that prostitute must have forgotten to take off her mask.”

    So, my guess is that this is just a case of bar owners not wanting to risk harming their image, and my advice to all the veiled women who like to frequent bars (a number close to zero probably) is not to take it personally, as there are literally thousands of males who get labelled as nawar, 7afartal, and zo3ran every day when trying to just find a place to sit with their friends not only in Amman and Jordan, but all over the world (even the US).

  • Kinan

    @Obviously a male: If we follow your logic, then you think I have the right to make a policy to ban whoever I want?? In that case, I say no Palestinians allowed (people might think its a terrorist bar, no Blacks allowed (people might think its a gang hangout), no single guys allowed (people might think you're a fag)…so I guess that leaves….white people :) blonde hair, green eyes….Thanks for your support!

  • Ahmad Hamdan

    From a religion point of view: Muslims aren't supposed to sit in such places, why would you be sitting in a place that serves something completely forbidden in Islam where as there are better places to sit in and enjoy your time.

    From a non religion point of view: not allowing them to sit in such places shows how hypocrite these so called liberals ( since you have to be a liberal to own such a place), they call for freedom of people yet they will deny freedom for people based on what they are wearing, do they dare to forbid half naked girls from entering there? i suppose not

    by the way i support the religion view

  • Amal Eqeiq

    Ramsey..amigo..
    First, I hope that this little drama added to the spirit of the final game..(the religous would say that she brought good karma with her to the pub!)
    I don't think that it is about the woman's choice to go or not..it is about the selection process that reveals more than the right of the business to determine its clients: it is way to decide what is in and what is not..who is cool and who is not..exclusion and inclusion—and this always, but always involve racism!!!

  • Obviously a Male

    “No blacks” is a discrimination policy based on race. It is outlawed internationally and by Jordan's constitution which states that there shall be no discrimination based on race.

    “No Palestinians” is discrimination based on national origin. I THINK this is illegal in Jordan under the “إثارة نعرات طائفية” label. If not strictly illegal, it would be greatly unwise as you'll be angering a HUGE portion of the population.

    “No single guys” is pretty much already applied very widely in Jordan under the “families only” label, so nothing new there :D

    “white people” is racist against. Blonde hair is probably OK, and so is “no green eyes”.

    See how it works?

    If you want my personal opinion, I'm personally a little annoyed by the story and the pub owner's decision, but generally I am indifferent, and I don't think this is a big deal since it only affects a very small number of individuals and it's not a matter of broken laws or violation of human rights.

    Finally, there is no “right to enter.” When people enter businesses, they are answering the business owners' invitation to make a purchase. If the business owner doesn't want an individual there, THEY have every right to keep him or her out.

  • SamarSar

    I think this is a tough one. For me personally, I don't like bars for religious and non-religious reasons. The religious is obvious but for the non-religious; I don't like the atmosphere or the drunk people.

    Lets say this bar is owned by a Muslim and he chooses not to let a hijabi in…Isn't that a little contradictory? Shouldn't he be following the same rules that he/she is supposedly enforcing on this lady? But sometimes or more like most of the time in society we don't follow the rules we enforce on others.

    It's by now way fair or right but would I really fight to get into a bar? No, I don't think so. I can deal without that experience. I think everyone has the right to do whatever they want. People can advise you but they can't force you to do something…and this is clearly a case of force. There is compulsion in Islam.

  • ramseytesdell

    It is absolutely a racist policy.

    For example, I decide to open a cafe, but I'm not letting in short people. They look funny, so I don't want them as my cliental. (sarcasm people)

  • Obviously a Male

    Dear Ramsey,

    As an editor, you should be the first to point out the erroneous use of the word “racist” in your comment. Veiled women do not constitute a race, and discrimination based on clothing alone is within the business owners' full right. Speaking of rights, the answer to the question you asked at the end of the article is a very strong no; there shouldn't be (and actually can't be) a right to enter. What you saw is not unethical, just as it is not considered unethical for bars to have bouncers who let in whoever they want based on their looks, their shirts, their name, the car they drove, or who they're with. Denying an individual entry to your business cannot be made illegal unless you are violating anti-discrimination laws. Furthermore, you cannot ban discrimination based on categories other than those which are identified and agreed upon internationally in places like the Declaration of Human Rights (i.e. race, gender, and I think religion).

    I hope you don't take this comment as a personal attack on your person, but I truly believe that you should be more careful when using words like “racist,” and you need to be a little more reasonable in your treatment of such topics, especially given your role of influence at 7iber. Please acknowledge that:

    1) this is not really that big of a deal. At least it's not as big of a deal or as frequent a case as that of the thousands of single men who are denied entry to many establishments in Jordan simply because they are not accompanied by females. That topic, or phenomenon really, is worth much more attention that this.

    2) The owner is really just trying to control his brand image using means that are well within the laws of the country and norms long established in the industry. One must do much worse than that to be labelled a “racist.”

    Best regards.

  • ramseytesdell

    I don't consider your comment a personal attack. But I do disagree.

    I disagree that it's not a big deal, because it is. A person was denied entry into an establishment (I don't think it matters if it is private or public) simply because of what she was wearing.

    Point taken; veiled women don't constitute a race. Discrimination might be a bit more apt. BUT, racism is pervasive in the discussion on Islam, as Muslims 'come from the East, are generally brown in appearance (check out racial profile, aka screen the Muslims a few extra times) and are generally discriminated against based on their race and their religion.'

    “One must do much worse than that to be labelled a “racist.”" Ok, fine. A semi-racist? Not a whole bunch better.

    Sometimes, unless you are brown and face discrimination based on your skin color, its difficult to see how race plays an important role in discrimination. Its called white privilege.

    Back to the issue, I simply disagree with you. She should have the right to enter and was discriminated against because of what she was wearing. What if the establishment wouldn't allow in anyone wearing a cross? Or the star of david? Or a nun who is covered? (not trying to start a conversation on whether the hijab is religious or not, just pointing out that women wearing the hijab are usually Muslim) Would that change the equation? Would it feel like discrimination then?

    7iber is a space for everyone to express themselves (respectfully), no matter if we agree or disagree. My role as an editor at 7iber is to encourage discussion. And that's exactly what I'm doing. ;)

  • Obviously a Male

    “What if the establishment wouldn't allow in anyone wearing a cross? Or the star of david? Or a nun who is covered? (not trying to start a conversation on whether the hijab is religious or not, just pointing out that women wearing the hijab are usually Muslim) Would that change the equation? Would it feel like discrimination then?”

    My opinion is that the examples you provided would be identical to this one, i.e. not examples of racism.

    You see, I don't think this is a discussion on Islam, because this bar owner doesn't discriminate against Muslims, and this has nothing to do with “white privilege” either, and I am as brown as one can get and have lived in the US where I was racially profiled for many years.

    There are surely many Muslim and brown people who frequent that establishment and they do not experience any harassment. This discussion is really about a clothing choice being banned from a private establishment due to motivations that are not entirely illogical nor unreasonable, and not outside the norms of that industry.

    It's a business choice that the owner makes knowing the costs (lost revenue), and it's probably because this is the first time you or your friend experience this that you find it so infuriating. But trust me, thousands of men in Jordan have been turned away from businesses simply because they were just a group of guys. Same thing, at first you get furious, but after a while you start realizing that really you cannot force someone to receive you at their business if they don't want to. It's their loss (and yours too), but what can you do about it?

    I personally do not condone these policies, but I also cannot condemn them.

  • Roula

    @ma7moodjo: first of all we’re not in “writing skills class” 2nd why are you being so aggressive?! I’m only saying my point of view and I meant appropriate for me and if she have the same beliefs as mine then it’s not appropriate for her too because from religious point of view it’s not allowed for Muslims to set with people who drink alcohol and I choose to follow these rules coz I’m really convinced that’s it’s the right way FOR ME.
    I don’t know what the definition for conservative should be but I’m sure slut is not the opposite for it, it's just that I choose not to get that weird looks and questions you talked about.

  • ma7moodjo

    well with all do respect ma'am ! awal ishi am being aggressive because people like you who think they are open minded but deep inside are all egocentric and fusty ! ya3ni ma3gool ino inti hala2 7aramtii il ga3deh ma3 ili bishraab ou bigolo laish i7na sirnaa mot5alfeeen !

    anyway ya 7ajeh roula i think the key word in here was you ,, all you said have no relevance to the topic because we were talking about if its her right or not to get in the pub ! but you changed it into a debate on what is decent and accepted and appropriate for a muslim wiman and as shocking it might seem sob7aan allah tli3tii inti mkyaaas il adaaab ou il al5laaag ! mish egocentric saa7 !

  • Roula

    who said that !!! when did I say “enne meqyas el adab w el a5lag” what is your problem man !! 7asseh enne 2atltelak 2atel aw eshe !! “people like you who think they are open minded but deep inside are all egocentric and fusty ” what is thaat !! u dont even know me !! realy what's your problem !!

  • ma7moodjo

    سؤالي هو: هل من الأخلاقي أن تمنع مؤسسة امرأة من الدخول لأنها محجبة؟ هل هو قانوني؟ هل يجب أن يكون غير قانوني؟

    هل هو من حقوقها أن تدخل أم هو حق المحل أن يحدد الزبائن الذي يريد خدمتهم؟

    ما الذي يدفع امرأة متدينة أن تدخل حانة تقدم المشروبات الكحولية؟ ولعل الجانب الاخر هو: أليس من حقها أن تقرر ذلك بنفسها؟

    sho ra2yek this is my problem you didnt address any of those question kol ili 3miltii inek you showed yourself better than the woman who tried to go in ” bil 3arabii TANZEER ” ! i thought we are here to have an intellectual debate about these questions at hand ! but all you religious people do is turn any conversation or debate from a political civil one into a religious one ! ya3ni sho da5el a5laag il binet ou sho da5al il mojtamaa3 ou sho da5al allah ” excuse my french “…..

    its her civil right as a citizen to go in ,thats it fucking it !!!!! if you people have any other ideas about that just go live in saudia !
    jad ignorance is a bliss ! rafa3tiii da3'tiiii !

    peace

  • Roula

    I’m quoting from my first comment “I should have the right to choose whether I want to go there or not” y3ne ana jawabet el so2al bs wadd7et enno ma3 enne ma baro7 bs bardo I don't think enno mn 7a2 7ad ymna3ne !! y3ne ana 3aks ma enta bt7ke tamaman y3ne lw wa7deh already btroo7 3ala hay el amaken akeed ma bdhaa so2aal enha against enno 7ad ymna3aha !! 3a kol 7aal ana ma ba7ke enno ana a7san mn 7ada wala b jomleh baynet hek eshe bs I'm proud of what I believe in, w enta shaklak 3ndak 7asasyeh mn el nas el 3ndhom aya noo3 mn el emaan fa hay moshkeltak msh 3'altety at least I'm not rude w eza bt3teber tare2et neqashak hay and the language you are using “an intellectual debate ” fa hay jad moshkeleh !!

  • Masoud Alhelou

    My comment is Simple, this Girl if she's Wearing hijab for style actually i don't have any Comment, but if she's Wearing hijab for her Religion she They should not go for these bar's .
    I'm with the Security in, Not to allow women Wearing hija to enter the to bar's,
    exactly if some boys under 18 years can't enter to this places
    Thank you

  • ma7moodjo

    well am so happy that you are not calling the shots in jordan ! it would be talbanii afghanistan all over again !

  • Masoud Alhelou

    اول شي راح احكي معك عربي لأنو انت عربي
    تاني شي انا مش زي ما انت بتحكي
    انا بقول انو وحدة محجبة منيح الي منعوها انو تيفوت هيك مكان
    ليش؟
    عشان احترام للحجاب الي هي لابستو
    لانو الحجاب مش بس حجاب و منظر و خلص الحجاب مبدأ و دين و عقيدة, انا ما بدي ادخل بمواضيع كتير بس انو شكرا على ردك و انا بحترمو شو مكان

  • ma7moodjo

    man its not that i dont respect you ! its just we as arab are so far behind just because of religion like ma3gool ino inta bto7kom 3al wa7deh bas la inhaa m7ajabeh inhaa mnee7a aw 3atleh ma mo3zaam ili labseen 7jaab ana ou inta ka shabaab 3arfeeen gi9a9hom !

    ya3ni ya a5ii hal ayam il deen ba6aal zay ma il shai5 bi7kii hada il ishi safaaa kana3a ou ishi bainaaak ou bain rabaak !
    fa basically il deen ma ilo da5al bi hay il 7aleh hay il 7aleh 3ibara 3an 5ark la 7goog il binet ka mwa6en 3ayesh bi dawleh feehaa seeyadeh lal kanoon !
    sorry man bas mish 3aref aktob bil 3arabi

    peace

  • Masoud Alhelou

    Don't worry, ana m3k eno kter men al mo7ajbaat mesh meltzmeen be al 7ejab bs bedal eno al 7ajaab ele 7ormeto fahmni enta ana ma ba2ool 3ala ele labseeh 7ejaab l2 ba2ool 3ala mabdaa2 al7ejab ana, eno meh man6ee8 eno tefoooot 3ala heak makan, so shof
    ele ra7 tefoot heak makan teshal7 7ajabha lesh l2no heya madam fataat 3ala heak makan ma3nto mesh hamemha la aboha wala denha wla rabha sa7 ?
    sa7
    fa eno ma far2aat lw shal7to we da5laat we be hada al wa2eet ma 7ada ra7 ya7i m3ha wala 7ada ra7 yablesh yatfraaj 3aleha we heya jwa we ya2ool sho ma7jbeeh we jaya hoon
    Thanks

  • ma7moodjo

    i think my answer to all of your questions would be NO ,,,,,
    so you have never been with your family including your mother and sister to a restaurant that serves alcohol ?

    and being sure that your answer is yes ! what makes your mother or family better than any other woman lets say the woman in out story !

    ya3ni walaw !
    sho da5al inta wayn bi meen inta ya3ni 7ora hieh bidhaa tit7ajaab ou titlaaa3 3a nadi leili aw bait da3ara inta ka mowa6en ilaak 3alehaa ay ishi ! meaning can you say anything to her its her choice 7ora hieh !

  • Masoud Alhelou

    lama nekon be NewYork bet2oli wa2tha eno ma elk da5al feha te3ml ele bdha yaah, awl shi ana ma ed5let feha sha59yan ana bs 3ajbni maw8ef ele ma redy yad5lha bs
    ma ba3rf leeh bs eza kan e7retan la al 7ejab ta3ha fa bekoon kter momtaaz
    ama eno ne2ool aah lesh ma nesser zay US ok seer zayhom be al 2shayaaa2 ele ktereeeeeeh ele mne7a we ba3deha e3ml ele bdk yaah
    e7na be Jordan be Arabian Country be balad moslem ma besser hada al 7aki
    we Thanks Again

  • ma7moodjo

    YA3NI inta ra2yaak ino hieh mo 7ora !

    why dont we make two sets of laws one for those without 7jaab and one for those with 7jaab .

    haek inta bi ra2yaak minkoon ma 3am ingaled il states bi il ashya2 il 3'ala6!

  • Saed

    This idea is probably why people become uncomfortable seeing a woman wearing a hijab while in a bar/pub.

  • Saed

    I don't mean to be an asshole 3anjad, but it's a bit of a confusing thing to see a woman wearing a 7ijab in a pub. Yeah she has the right, but I guess us as a culture has the idea of Women wearing a 7ijab as women who are religious and don't go to pubs and such places. So basically they are automatically excluded from anything involving such places by the owners, and even by the people who go there.

    They definitely should have the right in my opinion. But it is still something that would confuse people in my opinion, or at least make them think “leish fee mit7ajjbeh hon? inno biddha tishrab ya3ni? mish 7araam tishrab?” in other words, it's a bit of a mindf**k (excuse my french). People would ruin the girls reputation and stare and stuff like that, probably ending up at the conclusion of her being one of the munaqqabaat girls who are actually sluts (another common stereotype).

    It's like when a dude with piercings and long hair walks in to a masjed, people would automatically wanna beat him up, but it's his right isn't it? so they don't do anything, but he would still feel uncomfortable, and get judged, maybe would even be called a spy or a yahoodi, even if he's there to pray. It's similar to a girl wearing a 7ijab walking into a bar.

    they both have the right to do whatever, but aren't they making others uncomfortable?

    Confusing topic, it's just a huge paradox. It's like the girl who goes to a bar while wearing a 7ijab is at the edge of extremist Islam (in people's eyes) yet holding on to the “cooler” lifestyle (so to speak).

  • Ohoud

    I think we should view the topic on a wider context . It is not only about preventing a veiled women into a pub its about our mindset as humans.

    Humans in general have problems in accepting “the other” be it from different religions, background…etc. It has been existing since ages. Or accepting what different than the norm

    Now this incident does not only happen in our community, it happens all over the world for different reasons but for the same cause: we have problems accepting the other or what different that what we know.

    I mean it can even be obesity which people could discriminate others upon! (don't look at me, I'm thin:p)

    In our Arab community it might be more severe, but it exists everywhere:)

  • Saed

    I think it's deeper than that. I think it goes to the idea that people already have of women wearing a Hijab. It's already “accepted” that they don't drink, so it makes it weird that they would be in a pub since people who go to pubs usually wanna drink. I mean it's not like a woman wearing a Hijab can't go into Souk Jara or any other place, it's just pubs. So it's not about not being accepting of different people.

    Doesn't make the fact that they can't enter acceptable. But I believe that's the logic behind it in a way.

  • Dina

    In my opinion, the “main” reason why this woman was not allowed to the pub, was because of the fact that most probably the pub's guard or owner are Muslims themselves. They do not want a”covered up” woman in the pub, because it gives two bad points. One, is the fact that a covered up, definitely Muslim woman is in an alcohol scene, whereas a pub and that won't be good for business for the pub owner. The second point and probably the main reason is that she herself is giving Islam a bad look and apparently the people in charge are trying their best not to put blame on anyone, more likely Islam.

    I am a Muslim and I go to pubs and bar a few times a year, something I am not very proud of and I'm trying to overcome. Yet, when I go there, no one knows my background because I am not covered up, thus Islam and me are not to blame -not that I am tryingto find a muse to my actions.

    I believe that the woman should be allowed to do what she wants, no matter what she is wearing, but on the other hand she is giving a bad look to her religion.

  • Itravel91

    I wonder if the real issue here is weather that she ( and without passing on any judgments ) was a muzlim doing a not muzlim act.

    I’m in the university of jordan, many covered women are really not covered as islam says. Many people get (hejab) wrong. Now, this is more like a freak show of sorts if you know what i mean? It’s like, She is a muzlim doing a non muzlim act, and hes not a muzlim, doing a muzlim act.

    We all respect all religions, and customs, its not our thing to pass judgments on people! We do not have the right to. However, let us go back to basis always! Weather muzlim or christian, I’m sure christians would find a similar problem amongst their circle. Personally, I seriously think its the people ( WE, Us, ) who have a problem, not ISlam, not christianity; but us!

    Let us think and look further before blaming guilt upon this or that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1532123655 Mohammad Saleh

    يعني , ما إلهم حق يمنعوها
    بس هي من الأصل مش لازم تفوت هيك أماكن وهي متحجبة , لإنها إساءة للدين هيك