ترجمة – إسرائيليون وأردنيّون: ذخيرة للسلام


عن صحيفة هآرتز – ٣ تموز/يوليو ٢٠١٢

ترجمة: ناصر

شهدت العلاقات الإسرائيلية العربية حدثاً تاريخياً الأسبوع المنصرم: جنود إسرائيليون وأردنيون مخضرمون (سابقون) قاتلوا بعضهم البعض قبل 45 عاماً قاموا بزيارة مشتركة لمواقع قتالهم في القدس، مكرّمين بذلك ومخلّدين رفاقهم الراحلين.

بقلم: د. أساف ديفيد

في اليوم الثاني من حرب عام 1967، سيطر المظليّون الإسرائيليون على “تل الذخيرة” في القدس، والذي كان تحت سيطرة سريّتَي مشاة أردنيّتين. وبعد أربع ساعات من القتال المرير، تمت السيطرة على التلّة بعد سقوط 36 إسرائيلياً و71 أردنياً، وجرح العشرات على كلا الجانبين. الجنود الإسرائيليون المتأثرون بشجاعة وصلابة خصومهم، قاموا بعمل لافتة تكريمية غير مخطط لها، ثبّتت على رأس بندقية أردنية وكتب عليها: “جيش إسرائيل، آي دي إف: مدفون هنا 17 جندياً أردنياً شجاعاً. 7 حزيران 1967″. وقد أصبحت معركة تل الذخيرة منذ ذلك اليوم معلماً شهيراً لحروب إسرائيل.

في حزيران من هذا العام، بعد 45 عاماً، زار ضباط أردنيّون شاركوا في المعركة من أجل القدس مواقع القتال، بصحبة أعداء الأمس. هذه الزيارة التي امتدت ليومين وتمت برعاية مؤسسة فريدريش إيبرت وبتنظيم من منظمة التعاون الاقتصادي الإسرائيلية (إي سي إف) ومركز عمّان للسلام والتطوير (إيه سي بي بي) في الأردن، تضمّنت لقاءات بين قادة عسكريين سابقين من الجانبين الإسرائيلي والأردني، وزيارات مشتركة لمواقع المعارك، وحفل تأبيني على تلّة الذخيرة.

رافقتُ المجموعة خلال اليوم الأول من الزيارة. لقد كان المنظر مذهلاً. محاربون قتلوا وأرسلوا جنودهم ليدمّروا ويموتوا كانوا يجلسون في حلقة واحدة، مستمتعين، يستذكرون أحداث معاركهم. ضابط أردني التحق في الجيش بعد أن قُتل والده في معارك عام 1956، صُعق عندما اكتشف أن الضابط الإسرائيلي الذي يجلس قبالته هو الضابط الذي أمر بالضربة العسكرية التي أودت بحياة والده. اقترح الأردنيّون على صديقهم ممازحين بأن يأخذوا بثأرهم من والد الضابط الإسرائيلي، أو أن يتم صلح عشائري بين العائلتين. ترجمتُ ما قالوه للعبرية وأنا مدرك لسريالية النقاش الدائر. تابع الضابط الأردني حديثه شارحاً كيف أنه خدع الإسرائيليين الذين اعتقلوه بأن عرّف عن نفسه كـ “معلّم في الجيش”. بعد شهر من اعتقاله، أراه الجنود الإسرائيليون صورة له في أحد ألبومات الكليّة الحربية، ناعتينه بـ “الأسير الأردني الأكثر عناداً” على مرّ الحروب.

هذا الجو اللطيف تغيّر بشكل دراماتيكي عند وصولنا لتلّة الذخيرة للقيام بمراسم حفل التأبين الفريد.

الشاعر القومي “حاييم غوري”، القائد في معارك 1967، قرأ قصيدته الشهيرة والمأثرة “هير لاي أور باديز”، وقد تبِعته بقراءة مترجمة للقصيدة بالعربية كنت قد حضّرتها قبل يوم. قرأتُ الكلمات المؤثرة “ها هي أجسادنا جاثمة”، ليحول الأعداء على وقعها إلى أصدقاء، يحاربون دموعهم حزناً على الأرواح الشابة التي أزهقت بغض النظر عن جنسيتها. قائد الفرقة العسكرية التي دافعت عن التلّة قرأ أسماء الجنود الأردنيين الذين سقطوا، تبعه نائب قائد الكتيبة الإسرائيلية التي هاجمت التلّة والذي قرأ أسماء الجنود الإسرائيليين الذين سقطوا. لقد كان حفل التأبين المشترك الأول من نوعه على الإطلاق الذي يُقرأ فيه أسماء الجنود الإسرائيليين والعرب الذين سقطوا في القتال تباعاً. من وحي قصيدة “غوري” أقول، لوهلة من الزمن، عاد الجنود الصامتون من الكتيبتين الإسرائيلية والأردنيّة للحياة، محدقين ببعضهم البعض بصمت للمرة الأخيرة من خلال عيون عائلاتهم وأخوانهم في السلاح.

دبّت الحماسة في المجموعة الصغيرة عندما أعطى الإسرائيليون الأردنيين صورة كبيرة للافتة التكريمية التي صنعها الجنود في حزيران من عام 1967. لحظة انتهاء المراسم، تحلّق المظليّون الإسرائيليون السابقون حول القادة الأردنيين، وطلبوا منّي أن أترجم. قُل له: لربما كنّا أسوداً، لكنهم كانوا نموراً! قل له أنّني لم أشهد حفل تأبين مثير كهذا في حياتي! قل له أنّنا لم نلتقي خصوماً بتلك الصلابة قط! وفجأة، هز المظلّي الإسرائيلي والقائد الأردني رأسيهما غير مصدقَين أنهما عاركا بعضهما البعض بأيديهما العارية في الحفرة التي يقفون فوقها. حثّني القائد الأردني المنفعل: قل لهم أن أولئك الذين حاربوا بعضهم البعض بهذه الطريقة فقط يمكنهم أن يفهموا المعنى الحقيقي للسلام.

غادرنا المكان مع غروب الشمس، فيما بقيت كلمات المظلّي السابق تدور في رأسي: قل له لو أن الإسرائيليين الموجودين هنا هم كل الإسرائيليين، ولو أن الأردنيين الموجودين هنا هم كل العرب، لكنّا قد وصلنا إلى سلام شامل منذ وقت طويل. ترجمت ذلك للقائد الأردني، وللحظة عابرة فكّرت: لربما هو على حق.

ملاحظة من المترجم: اقرأ عن موقعة تل الذخيرة في هذا المقال من صحيفة الدستور




  • اردني من مادبا

    لو قام هؤلاء الأبطال من قبورهم لبصقوا في وجوهنا….
    نحتفل بقاتليهم بدون حياء أو خجل…
    لعن الله اليوم الذي أصبحت فيه الخيانة وجهة نظر

  • اردني من مادبا

    لو قام هؤلاء الأبطال من قبورهم لبصقوا في وجوهنا….
    نحتفل بقاتليهم بدون حياء أو خجل…
    لعن الله اليوم الذي أصبحت فيه الخيانة وجهة نظر

  • http://twitter.com/bnabulsi Basma Nabulsi

    الأردنيين الموجودين هنا هم كل العرب – يا ريت كل واحد يحكي عن حاله

  • http://twitter.com/bnabulsi Basma Nabulsi

    الأردنيين الموجودين هنا هم كل العرب – يا ريت كل واحد يحكي عن حاله

  • Stenfeio

    As much as i would like to have an open mind for a peaceful solution, this article represents the shameful degradation we have reached in our attempt to gratify and adorn the occupiers of our land. This gathering represents everything from the “naturalization” of Israel to the level of weakness we surcomed to. To the soldiers who fought this battle. There are those who have fought and died defending the land and those who fought to occupy it. Gratifying those who fought to occupy is as bad is congratulating the killer of your father as the writer mentioned. Sadly we have reached a place and time where that is acceptable.

  • Stenfeio

    As much as i would like to have an open mind for a peaceful solution, this article represents the shameful degradation we have reached in our attempt to gratify and adorn the occupiers of our land. This gathering represents everything from the “naturalization” of Israel to the level of weakness we surcomed to. To the soldiers who fought this battle. There are those who have fought and died defending the land and those who fought to occupy it. Gratifying those who fought to occupy is as bad is congratulating the killer of your father as the writer mentioned. Sadly we have reached a place and time where that is acceptable.

  • http://int-sci-fi.blogspot.com Ali

    “الموتى فقط رأوا نهاية الحرب” بصراحة لا اذكر من قال هذه المقولة بس هي صحيحة.المشكلة الأساسية في الأردن و اغلب دول الوطن العربي هي أن معظم افراد لم يعايشوا حربا قط، قرأوا عن الحروب و بسالة المعارك و نبالة الحروب في الكٌتب القومية و الوطنية و الدينية ، و تشبع خيالهم عن شرف المعارك و بسالتها …انا عشت في العراق و ببساطة اقدر اقول لكم ، هذا كلام فاضي، لا يوجد بسالة بالحرب. الموتى شهداء كانوا أم قتلى رائحتهم كرائحة اللحم الفاسد و العفن، البارود مش رومانسي و لكن مخيف و مرعب و كريه، الموت و الفقر اشياء بشعة.بس اكثر شي تكرهه في الحرب هو عندما يموت من حولك و تبقى أنت…لو عمركم شفتوا بشاعة الحرب كان فهمتوا مشاعر الضباط الذين قاتلوا و مات اصدقائهم … الأرض ، الدين ، العرق كلها اشياء تافهة بالمقارنة من تشوف طفل او صديق يلفظ انفاسه الأخيرة…

    • yahoo

      يا سيد ان الشرف ليس في الموت الشرف في الغاية التي نموت لها فمن دافع عن وطنه وعن شرفه وعرضه وعن حقه وارضه ومات يقاتل الغاصب هو فقط من يفهم مش شكلك اعتقد انك من الذين زاروا البنك المركزي العراقي قبل ان تغادر العراق وصدف انك اقترضت كم مليون ….عجيب هو الزمان يا رويبضه

  • http://int-sci-fi.blogspot.com Ali

    “الموتى فقط رأوا نهاية الحرب” بصراحة لا اذكر من قال هذه المقولة بس هي صحيحة.المشكلة الأساسية في الأردن و اغلب دول الوطن العربي هي أن معظم افراد لم يعايشوا حربا قط، قرأوا عن الحروب و بسالة المعارك و نبالة الحروب في الكٌتب القومية و الوطنية و الدينية ، و تشبع خيالهم عن شرف المعارك و بسالتها …انا عشت في العراق و ببساطة اقدر اقول لكم ، هذا كلام فاضي، لا يوجد بسالة بالحرب. الموتى شهداء كانوا أم قتلى رائحتهم كرائحة اللحم الفاسد و العفن، البارود مش رومانسي و لكن مخيف و مرعب و كريه، الموت و الفقر اشياء بشعة.بس اكثر شي تكرهه في الحرب هو عندما يموت من حولك و تبقى أنت…لو عمركم شفتوا بشاعة الحرب كان فهمتوا مشاعر الضباط الذين قاتلوا و مات اصدقائهم … الأرض ، الدين ، العرق كلها اشياء تافهة بالمقارنة من تشوف طفل او صديق يلفظ انفاسه الأخيرة…

    • yahoo

      يا سيد ان الشرف ليس في الموت الشرف في الغاية التي نموت لها فمن دافع عن وطنه وعن شرفه وعرضه وعن حقه وارضه ومات يقاتل الغاصب هو فقط من يفهم مش شكلك اعتقد انك من الذين زاروا البنك المركزي العراقي قبل ان تغادر العراق وصدف انك اقترضت كم مليون ….عجيب هو الزمان يا رويبضه

  • العبيط

    تحدي السلام
    هذا التحدي الغريب السخيف المؤسف الوقح في ان معا 
    قاتل ابيك يتبجح بجرمه امام وجهك
    و انت من بعد ذلك تصافحه و لا ترى دم ابيك و ابن ابيك في يديه

    ما ارخص الدم العربي و ما اشبه اليوم بالبارحة 

  • العبيط

    تحدي السلام
    هذا التحدي الغريب السخيف المؤسف الوقح في ان معا 
    قاتل ابيك يتبجح بجرمه امام وجهك
    و انت من بعد ذلك تصافحه و لا ترى دم ابيك و ابن ابيك في يديه

    ما ارخص الدم العربي و ما اشبه اليوم بالبارحة 

  • Mansour

    لو آمن مشاركينا من قدماء المحاربين بما فعلوا لما اخفوا اسمائهم ومشاركتهم بهده المناسبة التي فقدت فيها الامة العربية ما تبقى من ارض فلسطين. لو كنا قد استعدنا اراضينا ولم يقم العدو بتدنيسها يوم بعد يوم لكنت تفهمت هده المصالحة والتسامح ولكن في هكدا ظروف يعتبر هدا تخادل وخيانة لأرضنا وشعوبنا   

  • Mansour

    لو آمن مشاركينا من قدماء المحاربين بما فعلوا لما اخفوا اسمائهم ومشاركتهم بهده المناسبة التي فقدت فيها الامة العربية ما تبقى من ارض فلسطين. لو كنا قد استعدنا اراضينا ولم يقم العدو بتدنيسها يوم بعد يوم لكنت تفهمت هده المصالحة والتسامح ولكن في هكدا ظروف يعتبر هدا تخادل وخيانة لأرضنا وشعوبنا   

  • اردني و افتخر

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po6-2d4H47o  هذا ردنا كبداية

  • اردني و افتخر

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po6-2d4H47o  هذا ردنا كبداية

  • ArabvsJew

    One should try to understand the situation Jewish immigrants were put in. They had no other choice and while politically they were ‘attacking’ as in they were claiming territory for their state in areas that had no distinct people making a similar claim, (the first Palestinian congress  claimed Arabs in Palestine are all Syrians and wanted to be under the sovereignty of Syria), militarily they were defending themselves and securing a home where Jews would be free of persecution. Israel today is mostly made up of Arabs and Mizrahi (middle eastern) Jews (making up more than 60%+) who’ve gone through far worse crimes during the time they spent forced to live under Arab/Islamic rule which was imposed on them, than have Palestinians who refused to compromise but still given complete equal rights in Israel. In fact most Arabs in Israel are against having the areas they live in become part of a Palestinian state which in the majority they are in favor of. As in they want two states but they want to be Israeli citizens, Which goes to tell you how much different the situation would have been had the arab leaders weren’t blinded by their antisemitic culture.. 

    • Sami

       You assume the Arab reader is ignorant and stupid as if we were an American audience.  We are all well aware of Theodor Harzel and Ze’ev Jabotinsky’s well advertised plans to evict the non Jews of Palestine long before any armed Jewish settler stepped foot in Palestine.  The First Zionist Congress was held in Basel, Switzerland, from August 29 to August 31, 1897 during which plans were announced to evict the goyim from Palestine by starvation (Herzel) if not then by murder (Jabotinsky). Those terror plots were announced openly long before there was any PLO or Hamas or Abdulkader Alhussaini. No sane people on earth would just sit and wait while plans for their demise were being cooked in public. Go sell your offensive hasbara on another forum. But first thank 7iber for giving racial supremacists like you and their friends a platform on this website.

      • ArabvsJew

        Well the average Arab reader is ignorant; more so than you’re average American to be honest. I don’t really need to bring up polls about reading and so on, its enough evidence that the overwhelming majority of Arabs believe the Holocaust is a Jewish lie typical of them lying treacherous Jews. If you’re actually Arab I don’t think I need to bring up the polls for that claim either, And if Arabs deny such basic historic facts which are very well documented because most of them are undoubtedly blinded by their Islamic inspired hatred of Jews I think its fair to say that they’re more ignorant than the average American.Thats why you got two likes. You made things up like the supposed Herzel open plan to starve people and didn’t bother giving any source. So yea they’re ignorant. Herzel publicly in his writing advocated coexistence, you can clearly see that in his novel Altneuland in which he envisioned a society with equal rights and with no conflict between Arabs and Jews. In his letters to Arabs in Palestine he openly was against Jews buying land from private owners then kicking the farmers that used to work there to replace them with Jewish workers, though in private later in his diaries he did say that the Jews should try to find employment for Arabs outside and considering they had no distinct nationality they would go where the money is, he also said that they should let the Arabs continue believing they are ripping off Jews by selling them lands at much higher price than whats its worth and not sell it back to them, but he was also clear in that if they refuse to sell their lands (even in his private diaries) then they should stay and have equal rights with the rest of the citizens. As for my supposed racial supremacy it is rich coming from someone writing on an Arab forum. there are far more antisemites in Arab countries than there are anti Arab Jews in Israel which is very very impressive considering Jews had to suffer at the hands of Arabs almost ever since they invaded thousands of years ago, and continue to suffer today after they’ve been cleansed and were forced to leave theirs homes to their original homeland in which they make up the majority today by Arabs most of whom consider stabbing 6 month year old settlers and killing french Jewish school children, and killing people in restaurants are all acts of heroism, while accusations of racial supremacy might work on leftist white people who hate themselves, am of Palestinian Arab origin.

        • Abed

          Do you ever get sick of cutting and pasting from the FAQ section on the Likud website?

          FACT 1:  The Arabs had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

          FACT 2: The First Zionist Conference and the decision to expel and kill non-Jews of the Holy Land preceded WW II and the Holocaust.

          You have no solid arguments yet you are completely incapable of thinking and writing outside your 100 years old talking points.  debating you is a waste of time. Zionists are just a stupid cut and paste macros. 

          • ArabvsJew

            There was nothing I copy pasted from the Likud website (something you can easily check if you weren’t lying as usual for ignorant people with nothing of any substance to say) but the Likud is only extremist compared to the civilized world not the savage nations of the Arab world, I mean people here still think its acceptable to murder and torture people for basic freedoms like freedom of religion and freedom of expression. The only thing stopping them from going into full savage mode is ironically enough the evil civilized west. So sure, Likud is extremist but not even remotely compared to your average arab, still,  given what Jews have gone through particularly at the hands of Arabs its popularity is not surprising . Just youtube عملية انتحارية في القدس  or any other terrorist operation of your choosing and see what your brethren think, Israel doesn’t deal with human beings it deals with people who’ve lost or never had their humanity so to me its actually very impressive that Israel doesn’t do more to protect itself. And even still manage a country where its large Arab minority refuse to have their areas become part of a Palestinian country as in they want to continue being and benefit from their Israeli citizenship.As For Fact one, I never claimed the Arabs were responsible for the Holocaust though undoubtedly they would have wanted the honor, in fact the Palestinian leader at the time Haj Amin al Husseini was pals with Hitler and there’s photos of them shaking hands, you can Google it. he tried to recruit Arabs for him and wanted to implement Hitlers solution but  ultimately and sadly for your average Arab you know how much of a failure that turned out to be. But cheer up according to your prophecies of talking 3′ardaq trees a day will come when even nature will come to your aid slaughtering them manipulative Jews. So yea <3
            Israel today is made of mostly Arab Jews and their descendants, they were humiliated and persecuted at the hands of Arab Muslims for far too long and luckily now after being kicked they have their own country on their own original homeland and they don't have to put up with it as they did when they were defenseless. as the saying goes "Never Again"
            As for so called fact number two, its ofcourse fabricated but please feel free to prove me wrong, considering you're not the first one to make that claim it would be easy to support it no?

          • Guest

            5 million ethnically cleansed Palestinians in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria are proof of your tolerance. As many in Gaza and West Bank are proof of an ongoing Jewish Apartheid system. your pathological ability to dismiss the pain you inflict upon others is unparalleled. How about id you google Gaza War and Lebanon Invasion. that’s just a small sample of a long history of your butchery. Just because you don’t shout allahu akbar when you murder women and children does not make you civilized. the difference between you and al-qaeda is that they killed 3000 civilians but you and your civilized White friends disappeared whole civilizations starting from your genocide against the Cannaintes  to the crusade to the inquisition to the eradication of north and south american natives to the genocide of south east asia and Iraq. That’s shared White-Judeo values. 

          • ArabvsJew

            One major difference is that Israelis do not celebrate murder but punish it, when civilians get killed at least Israel claims its because they were being used as human shields which is almost always the case but even if it was a lie they have the decency to lie about it, not strap their children with bomb vests and cheer when a terrorist murders people as they still do today.
             Another difference between you and civilized people is that they do not look at those events as moments of pride on the contrary, they do not rename their massacres and occupation into “foto7at” and make them a source of pride and a claim and inspiration for supposed greatness. White-Judeo values and the civilization they brought about that you almost completely depend on is far superior to anything your culture has produced, what has it produced lately except headaches for all the civilized people today? I mean London is undergoing a celebration of International sports and Muslim heroes are busy trying to find a way to murder civilians who attend the event. That is your values, that and of course your medieval convuluted concept of honor.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs That is why there is a conflict today, Arabs love death more than Jews love life. Of course the Hamas guy thinks its something to proud about but he could could have been in a rush to execute a sorcerer and wasn’t thinking straight. ;DGolda Meir Ironically said “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us” . But they’ll have to get over their love of death first.

        • mariam salloum

          Hey ZioNazi,  Isn’t this your God (below) telling you to expel and kill non Jews, a few thousand years ago? The thing is all your history is written from the point of view of a victim yet you don’t even see your long history of brutality and violent racial supremacy against those of other races and religions which is well-documented in your own holy books. There were no Muslims of Christians then. Fact is, you are the first terrorist of the holy lands. You brutal, racist, deceptive sorry excuse of a human being:

          “50) On the plains of Moab by the Jordan across from Jericho the Lord said to Moses, 51) “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you cross the Jordan into Canaan, 52) drive out all the inhabitants of the land before you.”

          http://niv.scripturetext.com/numbers/33-50.htm

          • ArabvsJew

            Luckily most Jews have outgrown the “childish myths of the bible” to quote Einstein who was-wait for it- Jewish. In fact so much so that a pride parade was held in Jerusalem of all places. Did you see jews murdering gay people for being gay or killing people and punishing them for being of different religions? well, no. If Israelis are a sad excuse for human beings I wonder where that puts your average arab? trash level or below that? the thing is what happened to Palestinians wasn’t completely fair but considering they’ve forfeited their human decency I find it extremely hard to feel sorry for them or any other arab nation to be honest.

            Historically and archaeologically speaking there was no massacre or kicking anyone in Canaan. Recorded Jewish history is filled with achievement and accomplishments usually attaining that while being persecuted, and rarely if ever you can find anything to prove otherwise.

            What the bible actually says doesn’t matter at all even if it did happen, Jews aren’t the ones today who’re actively trying to terrorize pretty much every single civilized nation in the face of the earth in the name of their God.  its Muslims. You can blame this savagery on evil Zionist plots all you want, it wouldn’t change a thing. I agree its hypocritical to ignore the teaching and moral code of the bible (because its outdated) and therefore is not the best source of moral code but at least the overwhelming majority of Jews and Christians have found a way to ignore all those barbaric teachings and still claim to be true to their religion, muslims on the other hand embrace these teachings chanting Allah Akbar while chopping peoples heads off, Stoning them to death and crucifying them. 

          • Noora

            You say that Luckily most Jews have outgrown the “childish myths of the bible”  

            Can you at least lie within reason. Israel is nothing but a cesspool of Jewish extremism and Zionist fanaticism with a nuclear trigger. You like history when it suits your narrative but quickly dismisses it when it conflicts with your eternal victim narrative even if it’s the same history from which you derive your legitimacy. 

          • ArabvsJew

            How is it Jewish extremism? do you see Jews supporting murdering gay people? people who eat shell fish and who work on Saturday? do you see Jews murdering people who leave their religion? or people who have sex outside of marriage? all of those commands are written in the bible yet no body supports them anymore and you’d be put in jail if you even conspire to commit them. So what is Jewish extremism?, I don’t deny history it is something you people specialize in, the story of slaughtering Canaanites is not historic it is a religious myth, no different than Moses parting the sea and all humanity and life dying in a world wide flood save for a dozen animals and Noah, all myths with no proof whatsoever; if wish to ‘believe’ in them then by all means but you’re the one who’s choosing to believe in what suits you as opposed to what evidence and history tells us about what probably happened, historians and archaeologists dispute the story of slaughtering Canaanites therefore any rational person will dispute the story as well. 

            As for Zionist fanaticism there is doubt that there were a minority of Zionist fanatics who wanted to expel Arabs but the bulk of them were peaceful and wanted to coexist like Einstein. Of course one major problem they faced was the fact that the Arabs were a bunch of savage anitsemites making it unpractical.

          • ArabvsJew

            no doubt*

  • ArabvsJew

    One should try to understand the situation Jewish immigrants were put in. They had no other choice and while politically they were ‘attacking’ as in they were claiming territory for their state in areas that had no distinct people making a similar claim, (the first Palestinian congress  claimed Arabs in Palestine are all Syrians and wanted to be under the sovereignty of Syria), militarily they were defending themselves and securing a home where Jews would be free of persecution. Israel today is mostly made up of Arabs and Mizrahi (middle eastern) Jews (making up more than 60%+) who’ve gone through far worse crimes during the time they spent forced to live under Arab/Islamic rule which was imposed on them, than have Palestinians who refused to compromise but still given complete equal rights in Israel. In fact most Arabs in Israel are against having the areas they live in become part of a Palestinian state which in the majority they are in favor of. As in they want two states but they want to be Israeli citizens, Which goes to tell you how much different the situation would have been had the arab leaders weren’t blinded by their antisemitic culture.. 

    • Sami

       You assume the Arab reader is ignorant and stupid as if we were an American audience.  We are all well aware of Theodor Harzel and Ze’ev Jabotinsky’s well advertised plans to evict the non Jews of Palestine long before any armed Jewish settler stepped foot in Palestine.  The First Zionist Congress was held in Basel, Switzerland, from August 29 to August 31, 1897 during which plans were announced to evict the goyim from Palestine by starvation (Herzel) if not then by murder (Jabotinsky). Those terror plots were announced openly long before there was any PLO or Hamas or Abdulkader Alhussaini. No sane people on earth would just sit and wait while plans for their demise were being cooked in public. Go sell your offensive hasbara on another forum. But first thank 7iber for giving racial supremacists like you and their friends a platform on this website.

      • ArabvsJew

        Well the average Arab reader is ignorant; more so than you’re average American to be honest. I don’t really need to bring up polls about reading and so on, its enough evidence that the overwhelming majority of Arabs believe the Holocaust is a Jewish lie typical of them lying treacherous Jews. If you’re actually Arab I don’t think I need to bring up the polls for that claim either, And if Arabs deny such basic historic facts which are very well documented because most of them are undoubtedly blinded by their Islamic inspired hatred of Jews I think its fair to say that they’re more ignorant than the average American.Thats why you got two likes. You made things up like the supposed Herzel open plan to starve people and didn’t bother giving any source. So yea they’re ignorant. Herzel publicly in his writing advocated coexistence, you can clearly see that in his novel Altneuland in which he envisioned a society with equal rights and with no conflict between Arabs and Jews. In his letters to Arabs in Palestine he openly was against Jews buying land from private owners then kicking the farmers that used to work there to replace them with Jewish workers, though in private later in his diaries he did say that the Jews should try to find employment for Arabs outside and considering they had no distinct nationality they would go where the money is, he also said that they should let the Arabs continue believing they are ripping off Jews by selling them lands at much higher price than whats its worth and not sell it back to them, but he was also clear in that if they refuse to sell their lands (even in his private diaries) then they should stay and have equal rights with the rest of the citizens. As for my supposed racial supremacy it is rich coming from someone writing on an Arab forum. there are far more antisemites in Arab countries than there are anti Arab Jews in Israel which is very very impressive considering Jews had to suffer at the hands of Arabs almost ever since they invaded thousands of years ago, and continue to suffer today after they’ve been cleansed and were forced to leave theirs homes to their original homeland in which they make up the majority today by Arabs most of whom consider stabbing 6 month year old settlers and killing french Jewish school children, and killing people in restaurants are all acts of heroism, while accusations of racial supremacy might work on leftist white people who hate themselves, am of Palestinian Arab origin.

        • Abed

          Do you ever get sick of cutting and pasting from the FAQ section on the Likud website?

          FACT 1:  The Arabs had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

          FACT 2: The First Zionist Conference and the decision to expel and kill non-Jews of the Holy Land preceded WW II and the Holocaust.

          You have no solid arguments yet you are completely incapable of thinking and writing outside your 100 years old talking points.  debating you is a waste of time. Zionists are just a stupid cut and paste macros. 

          • ArabvsJew

            There was nothing I copy pasted from the Likud website (something you can easily check if you weren’t lying as usual for ignorant people with nothing of any substance to say) but the Likud is only extremist compared to the civilized world not the savage nations of the Arab world, I mean people here still think its acceptable to murder and torture people for basic freedoms like freedom of religion and freedom of expression. The only thing stopping them from going into full savage mode is ironically enough the evil civilized west. So sure, Likud is extremist but not even remotely compared to your average arab, still,  given what Jews have gone through particularly at the hands of Arabs its popularity is not surprising . Just youtube عملية انتحارية في القدس  or any other terrorist operation of your choosing and see what your brethren think, Israel doesn’t deal with human beings it deals with people who’ve lost or never had their humanity so to me its actually very impressive that Israel doesn’t do more to protect itself. And even still manage a country where its large Arab minority refuse to have their areas become part of a Palestinian country as in they want to continue being and benefit from their Israeli citizenship.As For Fact one, I never claimed the Arabs were responsible for the Holocaust though undoubtedly they would have wanted the honor, in fact the Palestinian leader at the time Haj Amin al Husseini was pals with Hitler and there’s photos of them shaking hands, you can Google it. he tried to recruit Arabs for him and wanted to implement Hitlers solution but  ultimately and sadly for your average Arab you know how much of a failure that turned out to be. But cheer up according to your prophecies of talking 3′ardaq trees a day will come when even nature will come to your aid slaughtering them manipulative Jews. So yea <3
            Israel today is made of mostly Arab Jews and their descendants, they were humiliated and persecuted at the hands of Arab Muslims for far too long and luckily now after being kicked they have their own country on their own original homeland and they don't have to put up with it as they did when they were defenseless. as the saying goes "Never Again"
            As for so called fact number two, its ofcourse fabricated but please feel free to prove me wrong, considering you're not the first one to make that claim it would be easy to support it no?

          • Guest

            5 million ethnically cleansed Palestinians in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria are proof of your tolerance. As many in Gaza and West Bank are proof of an ongoing Jewish Apartheid system. your pathological ability to dismiss the pain you inflict upon others is unparalleled. How about id you google Gaza War and Lebanon Invasion. that’s just a small sample of a long history of your butchery. Just because you don’t shout allahu akbar when you murder women and children does not make you civilized. the difference between you and al-qaeda is that they killed 3000 civilians but you and your civilized White friends disappeared whole civilizations starting from your genocide against the Cannaintes  to the crusade to the inquisition to the eradication of north and south american natives to the genocide of south east asia and Iraq. That’s shared White-Judeo values. 

          • ArabvsJew

            One major difference is that Israelis do not celebrate murder but punish it, when civilians get killed at least Israel claims its because they were being used as human shields which is almost always the case but even if it was a lie they have the decency to lie about it, not strap their children with bomb vests and cheer when a terrorist murders people as they still do today.
             Another difference between you and civilized people is that they do not look at those events as moments of pride on the contrary, they do not rename their massacres and occupation into “foto7at” and make them a source of pride and a claim and inspiration for supposed greatness. White-Judeo values and the civilization they brought about that you almost completely depend on is far superior to anything your culture has produced, what has it produced lately except headaches for all the civilized people today? I mean London is undergoing a celebration of International sports and Muslim heroes are busy trying to find a way to murder civilians who attend the event. That is your values, that and of course your medieval convuluted concept of honor.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs That is why there is a conflict today, Arabs love death more than Jews love life. Of course the Hamas guy thinks its something to proud about but he could could have been in a rush to execute a sorcerer and wasn’t thinking straight. ;DGolda Meir Ironically said “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us” . But they’ll have to get over their love of death first.

        • mariam salloum

          Hey ZioNazi,  Isn’t this your God (below) telling you to expel and kill non Jews, a few thousand years ago? The thing is all your history is written from the point of view of a victim yet you don’t even see your long history of brutality and violent racial supremacy against those of other races and religions which is well-documented in your own holy books. There were no Muslims of Christians then. Fact is, you are the first terrorist of the holy lands. You brutal, racist, deceptive sorry excuse of a human being:

          “50) On the plains of Moab by the Jordan across from Jericho the Lord said to Moses, 51) “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you cross the Jordan into Canaan, 52) drive out all the inhabitants of the land before you.”

          http://niv.scripturetext.com/numbers/33-50.htm

          • ArabvsJew

            Luckily most Jews have outgrown the “childish myths of the bible” to quote Einstein who was-wait for it- Jewish. In fact so much so that a pride parade was held in Jerusalem of all places. Did you see jews murdering gay people for being gay or killing people and punishing them for being of different religions? well, no. If Israelis are a sad excuse for human beings I wonder where that puts your average arab? trash level or below that? the thing is what happened to Palestinians wasn’t completely fair but considering they’ve forfeited their human decency I find it extremely hard to feel sorry for them or any other arab nation to be honest.

            Historically and archaeologically speaking there was no massacre or kicking anyone in Canaan. Recorded Jewish history is filled with achievement and accomplishments usually attaining that while being persecuted, and rarely if ever you can find anything to prove otherwise.

            What the bible actually says doesn’t matter at all even if it did happen, Jews aren’t the ones today who’re actively trying to terrorize pretty much every single civilized nation in the face of the earth in the name of their God.  its Muslims. You can blame this savagery on evil Zionist plots all you want, it wouldn’t change a thing. I agree its hypocritical to ignore the teaching and moral code of the bible (because its outdated) and therefore is not the best source of moral code but at least the overwhelming majority of Jews and Christians have found a way to ignore all those barbaric teachings and still claim to be true to their religion, muslims on the other hand embrace these teachings chanting Allah Akbar while chopping peoples heads off, Stoning them to death and crucifying them. 

          • Noora

            You say that Luckily most Jews have outgrown the “childish myths of the bible”  

            Can you at least lie within reason. Israel is nothing but a cesspool of Jewish extremism and Zionist fanaticism with a nuclear trigger. You like history when it suits your narrative but quickly dismisses it when it conflicts with your eternal victim narrative even if it’s the same history from which you derive your legitimacy. 

          • ArabvsJew

            How is it Jewish extremism? do you see Jews supporting murdering gay people? people who eat shell fish and who work on Saturday? do you see Jews murdering people who leave their religion? or people who have sex outside of marriage? all of those commands are written in the bible yet no body supports them anymore and you’d be put in jail if you even conspire to commit them. So what is Jewish extremism?, I don’t deny history it is something you people specialize in, the story of slaughtering Canaanites is not historic it is a religious myth, no different than Moses parting the sea and all humanity and life dying in a world wide flood save for a dozen animals and Noah, all myths with no proof whatsoever; if wish to ‘believe’ in them then by all means but you’re the one who’s choosing to believe in what suits you as opposed to what evidence and history tells us about what probably happened, historians and archaeologists dispute the story of slaughtering Canaanites therefore any rational person will dispute the story as well. 

            As for Zionist fanaticism there is doubt that there were a minority of Zionist fanatics who wanted to expel Arabs but the bulk of them were peaceful and wanted to coexist like Einstein. Of course one major problem they faced was the fact that the Arabs were a bunch of savage anitsemites making it unpractical.

          • ArabvsJew

            no doubt*

  • Guest

    ZioNazi you suffer serous delusions of civility. You spew forth so much crap and untruths it’s pointless to take on your points one by one. But if I grab a couple at random I am sure the audeince will be entertained by the absurdity of your claims such as:

    You say: “do you see Jews supporting murdering gay people? “ 

    No you just murder non-Jewish women and children. Do you consider your war crimes in Gaza and Lebanon wars proof of your civility? You have murdered in cold blood more innocents in two wars alone than 10 X of what Hamas did. 

    You say “but the bulk of [zionist settlers] were peaceful and wanted to coexist like Einstein”

    More dishonest statements. Go back to the resolutions of the First Zionist Congress. The mission of the more peaceful zionsits (Harzel) was to starve non-jews. the mission  of the less peaceful Zionists ( Jabotinsky ) was to kill non-jews. 

    You just keep repeating the same BS because you can’t get yourself to accept the fact Zionists are armed robbers

    • ArabvsJew

      Not sure why my post got deleted but truth hurts I guess anyway;

      murder requires intent, Arabs intend to murder Jewish children and women very openly and celebrate it, they intend to murder gay people and free thinkers and whathaveyou at least when Israelis supposedly do it they do, they not go around passing candy and they will look down and be shocked at people who do that is a fundamental difference between civilized people and their savage neighbors moreover you can’t actually prove that Jews intend to kill civilians. Hamas openly brags about using kids and women as human shields and if it were not for Israeli humanity much more people would have been killed as collateral damage, luckily the IDF is better than that. 
      Israel only defends its self, it left Gaza and was showered by rockets in response. If terrorists want to live in peace all they have to do is drop their weapons but they do not and choose intentionally to endanger civilians as a pathetic way to gain world sympathy.

      I’ll repeat the quote again if the Arabs want peace they should put down their weapons, If Jews put down their weapons they’ll be slaughtered. 

      today yet another example of this civilization vs Islamic savagery has taken place in Bulgaria, hopefully Israel replies swiftly and punishes those responsible.

      You repeat your first lie again and again and every time I ask you for a source you ignore that, am speaking about the first Zionist congress, you can easily Google the resolutions of the first congress and none even remotely claim that they wanted to starve or kill non Jews, if you actually have a source you could give it by now, the resolutions of the first congress are available on wiki just try to think for once in your life and stop parroting your antisemitic myths.

      As for the term Zionazi, atleast you’re among the minority of educated arabs (I use that term very loosely) who do not deny recent history of which we have abundant physical and even photographic and first hand account evidence though just for kicks do you believe them manipulative lying jews lied about the “numbers” of people killed in the Holocaust? you know since they control the world and everything.

      • Sukkar

         Nice discussion guys. Now here is my 2 cents.

        You obviously don’t realize you are being played here. You are being dragged into making outrageously stupid comments that really don’t help your cause.

        Be that as it may I can’t help but comment myself on one of your many bizarre assertions. You say that murder requires intent. A quick review of all Zionist literature belonging to Herzl and Jabotinsky there’s absolutely no exclusion clauses for Arab women and children. The plan to ethnically cleanse Palestinian gentiles and to commit violence  in the process of clearing space for Jewish colonists in Palestine did not stop at armed Arab men. It was inclusive of all Arabs. So Zionism is a movement that had every intention to commit deadly violence and ethnic cleansing against gentiles, which it did and continues to do. 

        As for celebrating violence, once a year millions of Zionists around the world celebrate the the massacres of gentiles, the bombing raids against gentile towns and villages, and the ethnic cleansing of millions of gentiles. You call it independence day.

        • ArabvsJew

          “Be that as it may I can’t help but comment myself on one of your many bizarre assertions. You say that murder requires intent.”
          This is not bizarre at all, seriously just Google the definition of murder vs manslaughter. murder requires intent. Arabs like to and promote and also openly celebrate murdering innocent Jewish people, Israelis avoid doing that at all costs, and openly regret and sometimes apologize and launch investigation and prosecute people/soldiers in the rare cases where it is done. I mean how sick can a nation be that giving it bodies of terrorists is viewed as a good well gesture. This is what Israel deals with today.

           ”A quick review of all Zionist literature belonging to Herzl and Jabotinsky there’s absolutely no exclusion clauses for Arab women and children” 

          Again with the same drivel, do you only repeat those two names because they’re the only Zionists you know of? Herzl NEVER wrote about killing Arabs and never about ethnically cleansing them, again you can easily show proof if you have it otherwise you are just repeating your own lies. Herzl’s novel I mentioned  pictured the new country as a country of equal rights and with no friction or extremism, his private writing also show he was completely against forcing someone off their lands.

          You repeat the word gentile as  if Jews like arabs were and still are  motivated by religious fanaticism and terrorism, this was never the case, Jews fought the British and Arabs when it was their own lives at stake and now they’re friends with the west and not with the Arabs because the latter are still intent on being antisemites who and I quote “love death more than the Jews love life”

          Today there are 20% Arab minority in Israel who want to be Israeli citizens as in they refuse the areas they live in be given to a Palestinian state which they support creating. Had the Arabs not started the war, no one would have been kicked and who knows maybe like those 20% who are called traitors by the rest of the Arabs outside, Israel would have been as most Zionists like Eisenstein and so on envisioned it, an exemplary discrimination free country that is a light unto the nations.  Again once Arabs start seeing that strapping a fake bomb vest on to your child is sick and twisted and not something to be proud about maybe there will be some peace.

          Israelis celebrate independence and their freedom not the fact that people died in the war or the suffering that undoubtedly was caused by it (a war which started because the Arabs refused to live in peace with Jews), What they celebrate is the fact that they are safe in their own country and as much as you’re brethren today want to put them in gas chambers, luckily now that they’re in Israel they can and do defend themselves; which is the whole point of having a country for the Jewish people and a very good reason for decent people to celebrate. I mean just take a look at how Christians are treated in the middle east today, the random murder every now and then in Egypt and kidnapping and force converting and deporting priests and holding guns at Christians so they don’t vote and going in the tens of thousands to protest a christian being hired in high position and burning churches, and to think that Christians are viewed much much better than Jews in the Arab world, heaven knows what would have happened to Jews had they not been kicked from their original countries in the Arab world, and had they not escaped today to Israel where they make up the majority today.

          What Arabs celebrate on the other hand is very different, Arabs celebrate the fact that a Jew was murdered and celebrate the fact that someone blew himself up to murder innocent Jewish people. Its not even remotely comparable to celebrating ones independence. That has nothing to do with the savage nature and ethnicity or religion of their enemies.

  • Guest

    ZioNazi you suffer serous delusions of civility. You spew forth so much crap and untruths it’s pointless to take on your points one by one. But if I grab a couple at random I am sure the audeince will be entertained by the absurdity of your claims such as:

    You say: “do you see Jews supporting murdering gay people? “ 

    No you just murder non-Jewish women and children. Do you consider your war crimes in Gaza and Lebanon wars proof of your civility? You have murdered in cold blood more innocents in two wars alone than 10 X of what Hamas did. 

    You say “but the bulk of [zionist settlers] were peaceful and wanted to coexist like Einstein”

    More dishonest statements. Go back to the resolutions of the First Zionist Congress. The mission of the more peaceful zionsits (Harzel) was to starve non-jews. the mission  of the less peaceful Zionists ( Jabotinsky ) was to kill non-jews. 

    You just keep repeating the same BS because you can’t get yourself to accept the fact Zionists are armed robbers

    • ArabvsJew

      Not sure why my post got deleted but truth hurts I guess anyway;

      murder requires intent, Arabs intend to murder Jewish children and women very openly and celebrate it, they intend to murder gay people and free thinkers and whathaveyou at least when Israelis supposedly do it they do, they not go around passing candy and they will look down and be shocked at people who do that is a fundamental difference between civilized people and their savage neighbors moreover you can’t actually prove that Jews intend to kill civilians. Hamas openly brags about using kids and women as human shields and if it were not for Israeli humanity much more people would have been killed as collateral damage, luckily the IDF is better than that. 
      Israel only defends its self, it left Gaza and was showered by rockets in response. If terrorists want to live in peace all they have to do is drop their weapons but they do not and choose intentionally to endanger civilians as a pathetic way to gain world sympathy.

      I’ll repeat the quote again if the Arabs want peace they should put down their weapons, If Jews put down their weapons they’ll be slaughtered. 

      today yet another example of this civilization vs Islamic savagery has taken place in Bulgaria, hopefully Israel replies swiftly and punishes those responsible.

      You repeat your first lie again and again and every time I ask you for a source you ignore that, am speaking about the first Zionist congress, you can easily Google the resolutions of the first congress and none even remotely claim that they wanted to starve or kill non Jews, if you actually have a source you could give it by now, the resolutions of the first congress are available on wiki just try to think for once in your life and stop parroting your antisemitic myths.

      As for the term Zionazi, atleast you’re among the minority of educated arabs (I use that term very loosely) who do not deny recent history of which we have abundant physical and even photographic and first hand account evidence though just for kicks do you believe them manipulative lying jews lied about the “numbers” of people killed in the Holocaust? you know since they control the world and everything.

      • Sukkar

         Nice discussion guys. Now here is my 2 cents.

        You obviously don’t realize you are being played here. You are being dragged into making outrageously stupid comments that really don’t help your cause.

        Be that as it may I can’t help but comment myself on one of your many bizarre assertions. You say that murder requires intent. A quick review of all Zionist literature belonging to Herzl and Jabotinsky there’s absolutely no exclusion clauses for Arab women and children. The plan to ethnically cleanse Palestinian gentiles and to commit violence  in the process of clearing space for Jewish colonists in Palestine did not stop at armed Arab men. It was inclusive of all Arabs. So Zionism is a movement that had every intention to commit deadly violence and ethnic cleansing against gentiles, which it did and continues to do. 

        As for celebrating violence, once a year millions of Zionists around the world celebrate the the massacres of gentiles, the bombing raids against gentile towns and villages, and the ethnic cleansing of millions of gentiles. You call it independence day.

        • ArabvsJew

          “Be that as it may I can’t help but comment myself on one of your many bizarre assertions. You say that murder requires intent.”
          This is not bizarre at all, seriously just Google the definition of murder vs manslaughter. murder requires intent. Arabs like to and promote and also openly celebrate murdering innocent Jewish people, Israelis avoid doing that at all costs, and openly regret and sometimes apologize and launch investigation and prosecute people/soldiers in the rare cases where it is done. I mean how sick can a nation be that giving it bodies of terrorists is viewed as a good well gesture. This is what Israel deals with today.

           ”A quick review of all Zionist literature belonging to Herzl and Jabotinsky there’s absolutely no exclusion clauses for Arab women and children” 

          Again with the same drivel, do you only repeat those two names because they’re the only Zionists you know of? Herzl NEVER wrote about killing Arabs and never about ethnically cleansing them, again you can easily show proof if you have it otherwise you are just repeating your own lies. Herzl’s novel I mentioned  pictured the new country as a country of equal rights and with no friction or extremism, his private writing also show he was completely against forcing someone off their lands.

          You repeat the word gentile as  if Jews like arabs were and still are  motivated by religious fanaticism and terrorism, this was never the case, Jews fought the British and Arabs when it was their own lives at stake and now they’re friends with the west and not with the Arabs because the latter are still intent on being antisemites who and I quote “love death more than the Jews love life”

          Today there are 20% Arab minority in Israel who want to be Israeli citizens as in they refuse the areas they live in be given to a Palestinian state which they support creating. Had the Arabs not started the war, no one would have been kicked and who knows maybe like those 20% who are called traitors by the rest of the Arabs outside, Israel would have been as most Zionists like Eisenstein and so on envisioned it, an exemplary discrimination free country that is a light unto the nations.  Again once Arabs start seeing that strapping a fake bomb vest on to your child is sick and twisted and not something to be proud about maybe there will be some peace.

          Israelis celebrate independence and their freedom not the fact that people died in the war or the suffering that undoubtedly was caused by it (a war which started because the Arabs refused to live in peace with Jews), What they celebrate is the fact that they are safe in their own country and as much as you’re brethren today want to put them in gas chambers, luckily now that they’re in Israel they can and do defend themselves; which is the whole point of having a country for the Jewish people and a very good reason for decent people to celebrate. I mean just take a look at how Christians are treated in the middle east today, the random murder every now and then in Egypt and kidnapping and force converting and deporting priests and holding guns at Christians so they don’t vote and going in the tens of thousands to protest a christian being hired in high position and burning churches, and to think that Christians are viewed much much better than Jews in the Arab world, heaven knows what would have happened to Jews had they not been kicked from their original countries in the Arab world, and had they not escaped today to Israel where they make up the majority today.

          What Arabs celebrate on the other hand is very different, Arabs celebrate the fact that a Jew was murdered and celebrate the fact that someone blew himself up to murder innocent Jewish people. Its not even remotely comparable to celebrating ones independence. That has nothing to do with the savage nature and ethnicity or religion of their enemies.

  • Abed

    Why reinvent the wheel:

    Palestine Remembered
    http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story725.html 

    The Palestine Activist Handbook
    http://tpah.wordpress.com/the-true-intentions-of-the-zionists-in-thier-own-words/ 

    Not to mention the universally accepted Old Testament indictment that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that your religion does not discriminate between combatants and innocents, just between Jews and non-Jews:”50) On the plains of Moab by the Jordan across from Jericho the Lord said to Moses, 51) “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you cross the Jordan into Canaan, 52) drive out all the inhabitants of the land before you.” 

    • ArabvsJew

      Oh great, Give me an entire websites and no specific proof for your claim. Expected, you don’t need to invent the wheel you need to support the claims you made if you can’t then admit you’re repeating your antisemitic lies and move on. If you can prove them then please stop wasting my time and do so.

      Am not Jewish,  am Arab of ‘Palestinian’ origin, As I said it doesn’t matter what the old testament says because unlike most Muslims who live in the dark ages and use a 1400 book and history with its ancient 1400 morality for their current daily lives most Jews and Christians have moved on into modern civilization which you depend on completely for pretty much everything in your life. No body kills people who work on the Sabbath and as I mentioned before there was a gay pride parade in Jerusalem. There are no people hanging maids because they are ‘witches’ like the poor woman sentenced to death recently in Saudi, because they realize how ridiculous that accusation is. 

      The biblical story of Canaan didn’t happen and Israeli archaeologists (and historians) who are among the best in the world (yet another thing Israel excels at…) claim it simply couldn’t have happened, more over the story is also mentioned briefly in the Quran. And if you’re going to say that in Islam Jews weren’t told to kill everybody but are told to live there in peace there well then you have a Biblical-Quranic contradiction which means the biblical story is made up as far as muslims are concerned so there you have it. In reality of course both stories are made up as far as science is concerned.

      As I said time and time again and you can’t prove otherwise, Israel does its best to avoid civilian casualties whereas Hamas openly brags about using human shields, and in the rare cases where a soldier might have committed murder an investigation is started and the person is prosecuted if found guilty, not celebrated as a hero. it is actually illegal to celebrate terrorism in Israel. Even if Israel the supposed terrorist state you claim it is killed civilians intentionally (of course you have no proof whatsoever) it at least has the decency to lie about it in public and hold supposedly fake internal investigations.

      If Arabs had the weapons Israel has, Jews would undergo another holocaust right now, in fact I’ve heard Arab people claim Israel and its soldiers are cowards and are weak because it doesn’t completely end terrorists like Hamas knowing full well that those terrorists have official offices in civilian areas and hide behind their women and children. meaning to eliminate them Israel has to flatten out gaza. Something Arabs wouldn’t hesitate to do but Jews have the moral decency not to (or as most Arabs see it weakness and cowardice).

  • Abed

    Why reinvent the wheel:

    Palestine Remembered
    http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story725.html 

    The Palestine Activist Handbook
    http://tpah.wordpress.com/the-true-intentions-of-the-zionists-in-thier-own-words/ 

    Not to mention the universally accepted Old Testament indictment that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that your religion does not discriminate between combatants and innocents, just between Jews and non-Jews:”50) On the plains of Moab by the Jordan across from Jericho the Lord said to Moses, 51) “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you cross the Jordan into Canaan, 52) drive out all the inhabitants of the land before you.” 

    • ArabvsJew

      Oh great, Give me an entire websites and no specific proof for your claim. Expected, you don’t need to invent the wheel you need to support the claims you made if you can’t then admit you’re repeating your antisemitic lies and move on. If you can prove them then please stop wasting my time and do so.

      Am not Jewish,  am Arab of ‘Palestinian’ origin, As I said it doesn’t matter what the old testament says because unlike most Muslims who live in the dark ages and use a 1400 book and history with its ancient 1400 morality for their current daily lives most Jews and Christians have moved on into modern civilization which you depend on completely for pretty much everything in your life. No body kills people who work on the Sabbath and as I mentioned before there was a gay pride parade in Jerusalem. There are no people hanging maids because they are ‘witches’ like the poor woman sentenced to death recently in Saudi, because they realize how ridiculous that accusation is. 

      The biblical story of Canaan didn’t happen and Israeli archaeologists (and historians) who are among the best in the world (yet another thing Israel excels at…) claim it simply couldn’t have happened, more over the story is also mentioned briefly in the Quran. And if you’re going to say that in Islam Jews weren’t told to kill everybody but are told to live there in peace there well then you have a Biblical-Quranic contradiction which means the biblical story is made up as far as muslims are concerned so there you have it. In reality of course both stories are made up as far as science is concerned.

      As I said time and time again and you can’t prove otherwise, Israel does its best to avoid civilian casualties whereas Hamas openly brags about using human shields, and in the rare cases where a soldier might have committed murder an investigation is started and the person is prosecuted if found guilty, not celebrated as a hero. it is actually illegal to celebrate terrorism in Israel. Even if Israel the supposed terrorist state you claim it is killed civilians intentionally (of course you have no proof whatsoever) it at least has the decency to lie about it in public and hold supposedly fake internal investigations.

      If Arabs had the weapons Israel has, Jews would undergo another holocaust right now, in fact I’ve heard Arab people claim Israel and its soldiers are cowards and are weak because it doesn’t completely end terrorists like Hamas knowing full well that those terrorists have official offices in civilian areas and hide behind their women and children. meaning to eliminate them Israel has to flatten out gaza. Something Arabs wouldn’t hesitate to do but Jews have the moral decency not to (or as most Arabs see it weakness and cowardice).

  • Tamir

    You are an extremist Zionist ideologue.  All you did on this blog is to deny you have done anything wrong and blame everything on Arabs. This is just another typical pointless discussion with every fanatical Zionist I have ever debated. You are the eternal victim and everyone else is out to get you.

    I live a few kilometers away from the Baq’ah camp for ethnically cleansed gentiles who were expelled by Jews from their homes and villages in Palestine. In the camp, I see civilians. Those civilians are sons and daughter of other civilians you  ethnically cleansed. This is one of a dozen or so camps for ethnically cleansed gentiles around the region.

    Extremist Jews like you who expelled them did not discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. They expelled them because they were not Jews.

    Do you know why you did this? Because you have a religion that gives you the green light to do such horrific acts of evil. Then you come on an Arab website to tell us you are a poor innocent victim. You are a pathological liar.

    Your violent fanaticism embodies the letter and the spirit of this:

    “50) On the plains of Moab by the Jordan across from Jericho the Lord
    said to Moses, 51) “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you
    cross the Jordan into Canaan, 52) drive out all the inhabitants of the
    land before you.”

    So you can deny your holy book all you want, the Baq’ah camp for ethnically cleaned non-jews in Jordan and a dozen others like it around the region are proof that you are nothing but armed robbers. Except that run of the mill armed robbers don’t weep after their crimes are committed and demand justice from those they have brutalized.

    • ArabvsJew2

      Oh look avoid giving evidence for your childish unfounded antisemitic claims yet again. Should I be surprised at this point?

      I haven’t done anything because am not a 1948 Zionist and pretty much even If I was a Jewish Zionist chances are I would be a second generation or a third generation Israeli who also hasn’t done anything.

      Is there a reason you insist in calling me Jewish though? because even though am Arab I don’t actually find it insulting to be called Jewish, on the contrary, so your barking is kind of wasted on me.

      As I said time and time again, Jews aren’t savage like Arabs and Muslims and do not kill or attack people because God said so like Muslims continue to do today,  the majority of them do not even bother with the ancient teachings of their bibles, Einstein was Jewish and if he lived today in an Islamic country he would get his head cut off for openly not believing in God.  Once you get that in your tiny brain you’d understand the vast difference between Israel and sorry self.

      While Jordanian want to murder atheists and gay people in the majority because for the most part they are savage Muslims who continue to rely on ancient religion and morality to guide their sorry lives, Jews would never ever not in a million years do the same or want to do the same because they are obviously much smarter and are a better people, it doesn’t matter what the bible says because nobody supports its awful portions whereas Muslims glorify and continue to support theirs. Thats why there are Gay pride parades every year in Israel and there are even openly gay rabbis.

      So your argument is useless unless you can show us that Jews still follow their Torah to the letter and support all the awful portions, your argument that the bible gives a green light to them is completely worthless, I bet most of them haven’t even bothered reading it.

      Had the Arabs not started a war to kick the Jews into the sea and slaughter them as their leaders both in the military and in the political scene openly bragged about (I can give you the quotes if you want) nobody would have been kicked. And the Jews wouldn’t have had to defend themselves. Moreover had the Arabs not persecuted and humiliated the native Jewish populations for centuries ever since they came from their peninsula (after cleansing it from jews ofcourse) to occupy and colonize the middle east under their own savage teachings, and had they finally not kicked them in the end, Israel would probably have more Arabs than Jews right now. Considering the majority of Israel today is made up of those million kicked Jews from the Arab world.

      Jews in the middle east suffered far more under Arab Muslim hands than Palestinians ever had. I actually count myself as an ant- Zionist but considering the savage alternative (at least for the time being) am certainly pro Israeli.

      Am not arguing for Zionism as much as I’m showing how much of a hypocrite your average pro Palestinian Arab is. 

      Also please choose a nickname and stick with it. You’ve used like what, 8 different names by now?

    • ArabvsJew2

      Oh look avoid giving evidence for your childish unfounded antisemitic claims yet again. Should I be surprised at this point?

      I haven’t done anything because am not a 1948 Zionist and pretty much even If I was a Jewish Zionist chances are I would be a second generation or a third generation Israeli who also hasn’t done anything.

      Is there a reason you insist in calling me Jewish though? because even though am Arab I don’t actually find it insulting to be called Jewish, on the contrary, so your barking is kind of wasted on me.

      As I said time and time again, Jews aren’t savage like Arabs and Muslims and do not kill or attack people because God said so like Muslims continue to do today,  the majority of them do not even bother with the ancient teachings of their bibles, Einstein was Jewish and if he lived today in an Islamic country he would get his head cut off for openly not believing in God.  Once you get that in your tiny brain you’d understand the vast difference between Israel and sorry self.

      While Jordanian want to murder atheists and gay people in the majority because for the most part they are savage Muslims who continue to rely on ancient religion and morality to guide their sorry lives, Jews would never ever not in a million years do the same or want to do the same because they are obviously much smarter and are a better people, it doesn’t matter what the bible says because nobody supports its awful portions whereas Muslims glorify and continue to support theirs. Thats why there are Gay pride parades every year in Israel and there are even openly gay rabbis.

      So your argument is useless unless you can show us that Jews still follow their Torah to the letter and support all the awful portions, your argument that the bible gives a green light to them is completely worthless, I bet most of them haven’t even bothered reading it.

      Had the Arabs not started a war to kick the Jews into the sea and slaughter them as their leaders both in the military and in the political scene openly bragged about (I can give you the quotes if you want) nobody would have been kicked. And the Jews wouldn’t have had to defend themselves. Moreover had the Arabs not persecuted and humiliated the native Jewish populations for centuries ever since they came from their peninsula (after cleansing it from jews ofcourse) to occupy and colonize the middle east under their own savage teachings, and had they finally not kicked them in the end, Israel would probably have more Arabs than Jews right now. Considering the majority of Israel today is made up of those million kicked Jews from the Arab world.

      Jews in the middle east suffered far more under Arab Muslim hands than Palestinians ever had. I actually count myself as an ant- Zionist but considering the savage alternative (at least for the time being) am certainly pro Israeli.

      Am not arguing for Zionism as much as I’m showing how much of a hypocrite your average pro Palestinian Arab is. 

      Also please choose a nickname and stick with it. You’ve used like what, 8 different names by now?

  • Tamir

    You are an extremist Zionist ideologue.  All you did on this blog is to deny you have done anything wrong and blame everything on Arabs. This is just another typical pointless discussion with every fanatical Zionist I have ever debated. You are the eternal victim and everyone else is out to get you.

    I live a few kilometers away from the Baq’ah camp for ethnically cleansed gentiles who were expelled by Jews from their homes and villages in Palestine. In the camp, I see civilians. Those civilians are sons and daughter of other civilians you  ethnically cleansed. This is one of a dozen or so camps for ethnically cleansed gentiles around the region.

    Extremist Jews like you who expelled them did not discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. They expelled them because they were not Jews.

    Do you know why you did this? Because you have a religion that gives you the green light to do such horrific acts of evil. Then you come on an Arab website to tell us you are a poor innocent victim. You are a pathological liar.

    Your violent fanaticism embodies the letter and the spirit of this:

    “50) On the plains of Moab by the Jordan across from Jericho the Lord
    said to Moses, 51) “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you
    cross the Jordan into Canaan, 52) drive out all the inhabitants of the
    land before you.”

    So you can deny your holy book all you want, the Baq’ah camp for ethnically cleaned non-jews in Jordan and a dozen others like it around the region are proof that you are nothing but armed robbers. Except that run of the mill armed robbers don’t weep after their crimes are committed and demand justice from those they have brutalized.

    • ArabvsJew2

      Oh look avoid giving evidence for your childish unfounded antisemitic claims yet again. Should I be surprised at this point?

      I haven’t done anything because am not a 1948 Zionist and pretty much even If I was a Jewish Zionist chances are I would be a second generation or a third generation Israeli who also hasn’t done anything.

      Is there a reason you insist in calling me Jewish though? because even though am Arab I don’t actually find it insulting to be called Jewish, on the contrary, so your barking is kind of wasted on me.

      As I said time and time again, Jews aren’t savage like Arabs and Muslims and do not kill or attack people because God said so like Muslims continue to do today,  the majority of them do not even bother with the ancient teachings of their bibles, Einstein was Jewish and if he lived today in an Islamic country he would get his head cut off for openly not believing in God.  Once you get that in your tiny brain you’d understand the vast difference between Israel and sorry self.

      While Jordanian want to murder atheists and gay people in the majority because for the most part they are savage Muslims who continue to rely on ancient religion and morality to guide their sorry lives, Jews would never ever not in a million years do the same or want to do the same because they are obviously much smarter and are a better people, it doesn’t matter what the bible says because nobody supports its awful portions whereas Muslims glorify and continue to support theirs. Thats why there are Gay pride parades every year in Israel and there are even openly gay rabbis.

      So your argument is useless unless you can show us that Jews still follow their Torah to the letter and support all the awful portions, your argument that the bible gives a green light to them is completely worthless, I bet most of them haven’t even bothered reading it.

      Had the Arabs not started a war to kick the Jews into the sea and slaughter them as their leaders both in the military and in the political scene openly bragged about (I can give you the quotes if you want) nobody would have been kicked. And the Jews wouldn’t have had to defend themselves. Moreover had the Arabs not persecuted and humiliated the native Jewish populations for centuries ever since they came from their peninsula (after cleansing it from jews ofcourse) to occupy and colonize the middle east under their own savage teachings, and had they finally not kicked them in the end, Israel would probably have more Arabs than Jews right now. Considering the majority of Israel today is made up of those million kicked Jews from the Arab world.

      Jews in the middle east suffered far more under Arab Muslim hands than Palestinians ever had. I actually count myself as an ant- Zionist but considering the savage alternative (at least for the time being) am certainly pro Israeli.

      Am not arguing for Zionism as much as I’m showing how much of a hypocrite your average pro Palestinian Arab is. 

      Also please choose a nickname and stick with it. You’ve used like what, 8 different names by now?

    • ArabvsJew2

      Oh look avoid giving evidence for your childish unfounded antisemitic claims yet again. Should I be surprised at this point?

      I haven’t done anything because am not a 1948 Zionist and pretty much even If I was a Jewish Zionist chances are I would be a second generation or a third generation Israeli who also hasn’t done anything.

      Is there a reason you insist in calling me Jewish though? because even though am Arab I don’t actually find it insulting to be called Jewish, on the contrary, so your barking is kind of wasted on me.

      As I said time and time again, Jews aren’t savage like Arabs and Muslims and do not kill or attack people because God said so like Muslims continue to do today,  the majority of them do not even bother with the ancient teachings of their bibles, Einstein was Jewish and if he lived today in an Islamic country he would get his head cut off for openly not believing in God.  Once you get that in your tiny brain you’d understand the vast difference between Israel and sorry self.

      While Jordanian want to murder atheists and gay people in the majority because for the most part they are savage Muslims who continue to rely on ancient religion and morality to guide their sorry lives, Jews would never ever not in a million years do the same or want to do the same because they are obviously much smarter and are a better people, it doesn’t matter what the bible says because nobody supports its awful portions whereas Muslims glorify and continue to support theirs. Thats why there are Gay pride parades every year in Israel and there are even openly gay rabbis.

      So your argument is useless unless you can show us that Jews still follow their Torah to the letter and support all the awful portions, your argument that the bible gives a green light to them is completely worthless, I bet most of them haven’t even bothered reading it.

      Had the Arabs not started a war to kick the Jews into the sea and slaughter them as their leaders both in the military and in the political scene openly bragged about (I can give you the quotes if you want) nobody would have been kicked. And the Jews wouldn’t have had to defend themselves. Moreover had the Arabs not persecuted and humiliated the native Jewish populations for centuries ever since they came from their peninsula (after cleansing it from jews ofcourse) to occupy and colonize the middle east under their own savage teachings, and had they finally not kicked them in the end, Israel would probably have more Arabs than Jews right now. Considering the majority of Israel today is made up of those million kicked Jews from the Arab world.

      Jews in the middle east suffered far more under Arab Muslim hands than Palestinians ever had. I actually count myself as an ant- Zionist but considering the savage alternative (at least for the time being) am certainly pro Israeli.

      Am not arguing for Zionism as much as I’m showing how much of a hypocrite your average pro Palestinian Arab is. 

      Also please choose a nickname and stick with it. You’ve used like what, 8 different names by now?

  • Mohammad

    So you think the presence of millions of ethnically cleansed non-jew such as the 400,000 in Baq’ah camp in Jordan  is not proof enough of Herzel and Jabotinsky’s doctrine of murder and hate? Or do you think that Herzl and Jabotinsky would have disavowed Zionism had they lived to see the fruits of their teachings? But knowing your litany of pathologies you probably consider the presence of these camps an act of naked antisemitism meant to defame the angelical Zionists
     

    • ArabvsJew2

      Again, you do not give me proof that either Herzl or Jabotinsky publicly in the first Zionist congress claimed they want to starve Arabs, murder and kick them. Because like most Arabs you’re an idiot antisemite who believes anything that a guy who failed tawjhi and has a beard tells you.

      Herzl and Jabotinsky are two men (seriously do you not know of any other?) even if you can prove that either said what you claim they have and am yet to see any evidence of that (you know what that is don’t you? I know the stereotype that Arabs are a bunch of idiots who live in tents and bed their precious goats is mostly true ;D) but come on, you surely must of heard of ‘evidence’ before?, you can’t actually say thats what the whole Zionist movement envisioned after all Einstein was a Zionist too and he was against racism and he had contact with Palestinians and published his theory relativity in the Arab world as  an exclusive to a Palestinian newspaper he used to write in.

      There aren’t 400,000 refugees in one camp, Palestinian refugees numbered around 700 thousand most of them now are probably dead or are very old my grandfather is the only refugee in my family and hes 94, their children are not refugees. Their children are nationals of the country they were born in, no other refugees can give refugee status to their children except Palestinians who are hardly special in any way.

      But that of course is to be blamed mainly on Arab savages who wanted and openly proclaimed they were going to slaughter all jews, had they accepted to live in peace NO ONE would have been kicked and Israel will probably have had an arab majority by now. 

      heres a few of your savage leaders talking about the war they started, the war that was responsible for creating those refugees
      Azam Pasha, Arab League Secretary General 
      “This will be a  war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the crusades.” this is like the ultimate Islamic wet dream lol.

      Ahmed Shuqeiri (he later became a hero and leader of منظمة التحرير الفلسطينية)
      “the surviving  Jews would be helped to return to their native countries, but my estimation is that none will survive”

      Haj Amin al huesinni who was the the Palestinian leader at the time
      “Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor ”

      Sadly for your convoluted and twisted savage honor which now thankfully is limited to occasionally murdering women who speak to a grocery store worker or a girl that wears makeup, you failed and Jews survived and prevailed yet another thing jews are better at than arabs fighting 1 to 40 lol, sadly in the process of this savage war of extermination started by stupid arabs who believed and continue to believe today that they’re some sort of great power who just needs another Salah al Deen to go live the glory of slaughtering Jews, Arab civilians left and were displaced, either because they were afraid they might get caught in the fighting or like many of them including all of my friends’ families who left because they were promised that the armies will slaughter all jews and then they can return, because of leaders like the
      Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri who Said:  “We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down.”

      This ofcourse doesn’t mean there weren’t any war crimes committed by zionist troops, it just puts things into perspective, I think its amazing how relatively little war crimes were committed considering how savage their enemies were and how intent they were on exterminating them.

  • Mohammad

    So you think the presence of millions of ethnically cleansed non-jew such as the 400,000 in Baq’ah camp in Jordan  is not proof enough of Herzel and Jabotinsky’s doctrine of murder and hate? Or do you think that Herzl and Jabotinsky would have disavowed Zionism had they lived to see the fruits of their teachings? But knowing your litany of pathologies you probably consider the presence of these camps an act of naked antisemitism meant to defame the angelical Zionists
     

    • ArabvsJew2

      Again, you do not give me proof that either Herzl or Jabotinsky publicly in the first Zionist congress claimed they want to starve Arabs, murder and kick them. Because like most Arabs you’re an idiot antisemite who believes anything that a guy who failed tawjhi and has a beard tells you.

      Herzl and Jabotinsky are two men (seriously do you not know of any other?) even if you can prove that either said what you claim they have and am yet to see any evidence of that (you know what that is don’t you? I know the stereotype that Arabs are a bunch of idiots who live in tents and bed their precious goats is mostly true ;D) but come on, you surely must of heard of ‘evidence’ before?, you can’t actually say thats what the whole Zionist movement envisioned after all Einstein was a Zionist too and he was against racism and he had contact with Palestinians and published his theory relativity in the Arab world as  an exclusive to a Palestinian newspaper he used to write in.

      There aren’t 400,000 refugees in one camp, Palestinian refugees numbered around 700 thousand most of them now are probably dead or are very old my grandfather is the only refugee in my family and hes 94, their children are not refugees. Their children are nationals of the country they were born in, no other refugees can give refugee status to their children except Palestinians who are hardly special in any way.

      But that of course is to be blamed mainly on Arab savages who wanted and openly proclaimed they were going to slaughter all jews, had they accepted to live in peace NO ONE would have been kicked and Israel will probably have had an arab majority by now. 

      heres a few of your savage leaders talking about the war they started, the war that was responsible for creating those refugees
      Azam Pasha, Arab League Secretary General 
      “This will be a  war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the crusades.” this is like the ultimate Islamic wet dream lol.

      Ahmed Shuqeiri (he later became a hero and leader of منظمة التحرير الفلسطينية)
      “the surviving  Jews would be helped to return to their native countries, but my estimation is that none will survive”

      Haj Amin al huesinni who was the the Palestinian leader at the time
      “Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor ”

      Sadly for your convoluted and twisted savage honor which now thankfully is limited to occasionally murdering women who speak to a grocery store worker or a girl that wears makeup, you failed and Jews survived and prevailed yet another thing jews are better at than arabs fighting 1 to 40 lol, sadly in the process of this savage war of extermination started by stupid arabs who believed and continue to believe today that they’re some sort of great power who just needs another Salah al Deen to go live the glory of slaughtering Jews, Arab civilians left and were displaced, either because they were afraid they might get caught in the fighting or like many of them including all of my friends’ families who left because they were promised that the armies will slaughter all jews and then they can return, because of leaders like the
      Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri who Said:  “We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down.”

      This ofcourse doesn’t mean there weren’t any war crimes committed by zionist troops, it just puts things into perspective, I think its amazing how relatively little war crimes were committed considering how savage their enemies were and how intent they were on exterminating them.

  • Zaid

    First of all I want to thank you for helping my argument with your depraved but idiotic posts.  Your obsession with quotes from Herzl and Jabotinsky are quite childish considering your history is littered with war crimes and crimes against humanity. As if a quote or lack thereof will vindicate you on the day of reckoning which at this rate of change in the Arab world seems closer than ever.

    But to shut you up, below are some quotes about/from what Herzel and Jabotinsky. The humane Herzel wanted to starve non-jews into mass exodus while the rabid Jabotinsky wanted a greater Israel by use of terror.

    This is what Theodore Herzl said about starving gentiles as a method of mass transfer of non-jews. This strategy is now in full force in Gaza:

    “We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly.” (America And The Founding Of Israel, p. 49, Righteous Victims, p. 21-22)

     A Historical Survey of Proposals to Transfer Arabs from Palestine
     1895 – 1947 by Rabbi Dr. Chaim Simons
     http://chaimsimons.net/transfer.html

    ——————————————–
    Boston: Jabotinsky’s ghost

    “Jabotinsky split the Zionist movement in the 1920s, preaching a “Greater Israel,” with a Jewish majority outweighing the Arab population, to be won by force and guarded, in his famous phrase, by an “Iron Wall.”"

    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2006/08/13/jabotinskys_ghost/?page=full

    —————————————–

    as for your stupid refugee math, the right of return does not end with the death of the first generation of victims. If that were the case,  you have no argument with the Germans anymore. Also if your moronic logic is applied, every ZioNazi-like state in the world would just expel any unwanted ethnic or religious group then wait for the death of the first generation of victims to escape any legal and moral liability. the Geneva convention is clear on your ZioNazi war crimes. There’s no statute of limitation on the rights for victims of Zionist armed robbery and their descendents.

    • ArabvsJew2

      Lol, my obsession? you have to be kidding me, it was yourself that kept bringing up those two men probably because you’ve never heard of any other ‘zionist’ and like your average ignorant Arab, you read less than 18 pages per year. But am glad that at least now you bothered to bring up some quotes or more accurately famous misquotes to support your silly lies.

      First though, you should know by now that Israeli history is far brighter than Arab history and is not nearly riddled with as many crimes and and war crimes as well as crimes against humanity that continue in almost every Arab country today where basic freedoms like freedom of speech, freedom of religion or even equal rights for women are still considered western and Zionist evil plots attacking Islam lol, I mean we are speaking about countries like Jordan and Morocco who recently both shared with the world two amusing stories about raped women being forced to marry their rapists as to protect their owners and their societies convoluted concept of honor. I will maintain that Jewish history is far better than that of Arabs at any point in time and I doubt even you would dispute that. I mean look at whats happening today (that is besides the countless crimes against humanity that are law in most Arab and Islamic countries),. .Look at your Islamic Spring and what it has brought so far, look at Syria,  Syrians alone in one year and 4 months have killed 19000 people 
      and the death toll is increasing on a daily basis, contrast that with the number of both Palestinians and Israelis killed since 1948 in the Israeli Palestinian conflict, both israeli and Palestinian fatalities together are less than 20 thousand, (check wiki’s page titled Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its sources, if you dispute that I would be interested in your sources and numbers),  these deaths increased significantly on both sides when Palestinians resorted to terrorism during the intifada. Or contrast that with the 20 thousand people killed in a month by Jordan during Black September. Unlike Syria and Jordan though Israel does not intentionally target civilians and thus the significantly small death toll, it obviously kills much less people, because it targets mainly terrorists, and much of those thousands of people are just that, terrorists who resort like cowards to hiding behind civilians very openly resulting in collateral civilian deaths. And the thing is even though the death rate is incredibly low all things considered, there wouldn’t be any deaths if Arabs renounce terrorism and stop fantasizing about slaughtering jews with the help of talking gardaq trees and silly reckoning days.

      Secondly; about those quotes or misquotes; I actually refered to your Herzl misrepresentation in my previous posts on here but since you bring it up I should give the whole quote to show how manipulative and deceitful your average Palestinian propogandists are 

      For the Herzl quote; it is taken from his private diary not from the first congress like you claimed moreover it obviously doesn’t say that he wants to starve people to death like you again lied, and as proffesor 
      Efraim Karsh  notes;
      “Herzl’s diary entry makes no mention of either Arabs or Palestine, and for good reason. A careful reading of Herzl’s diary entries for June 1895 reveals that, at the time, he did not consider Palestine to be the future site of Jewish resettlement but rather South America. ”

      Heres the full entry; 

      When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of immovable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back.It goes without saying that we shall respectfully tolerate persons of other faiths and protect their property, their honor, and their freedom with the harshest means of coercion. This is another area in which we shall set the entire old world a wonderful example. …Estate owners who are attached to their soil … will be offered a complete transplantation–to any place they wish, like our own people. …If this offer is not accepted either, no harm will be done. … we shall simply leave them thereboth previous quotes are taken from CAMERA’s article jsut google the quote for the original citations.This is hardly someone who wants to kill, kick or starve people like you lied, in fact he is a much more decent human being than pretty much every Palestinian and Arab leader of that period even up until today I cannot think of a single Palestinian leader that is more decent of human being than him, but considering that slaughtering Jews is still a mainstream Arab fantasy and killing people to stop their freedom of religion is a current Arab reality its not like he has any competition on the Arab side even today. On the Jewish and Zionist side there have been much better leaders and people than him, like again Eisenstein but he sadly didn’t have as much influence.As for Jabotinsky, he was obviously on the extremist end of things and as you know there is no Greater Israel Today not because Israel couldn’t squash the silly arab armies and kick all people living there but because as even your source claims he was shunned by mainstream Zionists but even he and his extremism (relative to mainstream Zionism) tames compared to your average Arab leaders that I quoted previously who all openly stated their plan to slaughter all the jews, he; ”In 1934, for example, Jabotinsky’s Revisionist Party prepared a draft constitution for Jewish Palestine that put the Arab minority on an equal footing with its Jewish counterpart “throughout all sectors of the country’s public life.” The two communities were to share the state’s duties, both military and civil service, and enjoy its prerogatives. Jabotinsky proposed that Hebrew and Arabic should enjoy equal rights and that “in every cabinet where the prime minister is a Jew, the vice-premiership shall be offered to an Arab and vice versa.” Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Jewish War Front (London: Allen and Unwin, 1940), pp. 216-7. taken from http://www.meforum.org/711/benny-morriss-reign-of-error-revisited#_ftn23 of course Benny Morris is the guy who gave only half of the first Herzl misquote, misrepresenting it.As I said in my earlier posts while revisionist Zionism is extremist it is not surprising why it came to be, considering the savage terroristic reality the jews were faced by and continue to face today am actually more impressed with Israelis today because the ideology is not supported by most Israelis today and wasn’t mainstream in the past.I mean they are facing these people;”This will be a  war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the crusades.”  considering this war of extermination was started by Arabs to do just that, I can’t say i feel sorry that the Arabs lost..”as for your stupid refugee math, the right of return does not end with the death of the first generation of victims”. Actually it does, there is no such thing internationally as a second generation refugee, a refugee Only UNRWA and only Palestinians are counted as refugees in their second and third generation, there are a million Jews kicked from the Arab world,  their descendants today are not refugees. Get it? its not too hard of a concept to grasp.”If that were the case,  you have no argument with the Germans”like I said am not Israeli or Jewish, but I agree thankfully Germany today is among the biggest allies of Israel in Europe, that’s where Israel gets its Nuclear submarines ;d ”anymore. Also if your moronic logic is applied, every ZioNazi-like state in the world would just expel any unwanted ethnic or religious group then wait for the death of the first generation of victims to escape any legal and moral liability. the Geneva convention is clear on your ZioNazi war crimes. There’s no statute of limitation on the rights for victims of Zionist armed robbery and their descendants. ”Israel didn’t kick them, only a minority of them were kicked by soldiers, most became refugees because their leaders told them to leave like the quote from the Iraqi leader I showed you clearly states all my friends’ grandparents left because of that, the rest left because they were scared because of the war, most of the people who stayed and agreed to live peacefully are now Israeli citizens, with there descendants they make up 20% of all Israelis, the druze who were persecuted by Arabs agreed to live in peace with jews and now they openly serve in the Israeli army, in fact there are special units for them. Hence the belief in the Arab world that 48 Palis are “traitors”.  Had the Arabs not started the war and agreed to live in peace ALL of them would not have had to leave for any reason. And would have probably made up a big majority of Israeli citizens today. It sucks that this Arab war of extermination was started by them, it sucks that most of them believed their leaders when they told them to leave and wait for the slaughter, it sucks for you and your antisemtic ilk that they failed to push jews into the sea but it was not something Israel did, it was something that was self inflicted. As for second and third generation refugees and right of return please give me proof that the Geneva convention includes those. It would be easy to do  and please don’t waste my time with entire random sites and silly excuses of wheels and inventing as if an Arab can invent anything lols, the laws are easy to find on the internet so it’d be easy to provide them.

      • Ted

         You brag about your history but you forget that you started the first  documented act of genocide in the holy land:

        “50) On the plains of Moab by the Jordan across from Jericho the Lord said to Moses, 51) “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you cross the Jordan into Canaan, 52) drive out all the inhabitants of the land before you.”

        Then you try to explain Hazel’s quote using the dumbest and most idiotic logic I have every heard using right wing zionist sources, people like you who claim Zionists can commit no evil, see no evil and of course commit no evil. The smoking gun is called Israel and Zionism and your non-stop history of violent racial supremacy. As for your other humane achivements you gave the world communism, the other violent fanatical ideology responsible for exterminating millions upon millions of innocent human beings. You want to deny that too? Then you gave us the Iraq war (we all know who neocons are) the most brutal genocide in the Arab world since the French genocide in Algiers. Your handiwork was never limited to Palestine.

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        • Dan

          Zionists will take credit for Einstein’s and Larry Ellison’s ingenuity but don’t even dare to associate them with Lenin or William Kristol or Norman Podhoretz or other genocidal war mongers. It’s that selective history problem.

        • ArabvsJew

          Actually it is not “documented” because the source you quoted is the bible which also tells us about speaking snakes and worlds created in 6 days and magical trees and world floods and other myths, which even according to Muslims have been altered and changed by christians and jews. Moreover like I mentioned for what seems like the hundred time, the story is also mentioned in the Quran so either both scriptures and Gods are horrible or the Quran’s story is good while the biblical one is distorted and didn’t happen.

          Of course as far as evidence goes, this supposed massacre and ethnic cleansing never happened and outside of silly childish myths  there is nothing to support it, current archaeologists and historians agree on that. Keep quoting the same text all you want it doesn’t make it true, see this is why you still are perceived as living in tents and bedding goats its because you have no respect for science and rather accept silly stories told by men who failed tawjihi. Luckily the civilized world they no longer functions like that, that’s why stories about arresting flying witches is only confined to primitive minded people of arab countries (no kidding this is an actual incident in Saudi, I’ll give you the original newspaper source if you want, or I might just grow a beard and say God said so and that would be all the evidence and “logic” you people need, lol)

          As for Herzl, there was nothing silly of me quoting the entire original source, I didn’t actually give any excuse I only showed how you were lying through your teeth and I gave the full quote from his journal  the one your source takes out of context and cuts up most of it distorting it completely, to support your silly arab lies (I understand though why you’d do it, you need to be deceitful if you want people to take up your poorly disguised antisemitic terroristic cause) Its amazing how you are denouncing the original source of both quotes which is of course his original frikin diary as a ‘Zionist’ source. You do not see how idiotic that sounds? believe me I know you aren’t particularly known for your wits but really I think there is no way to dig yourself out of this hole. Not only Herzl didn’t support starving people death like you claimed, but in that same entry you quoted  he clearly states he is against kicking people by force, and want to make Israel an example by by protecting other people’s freedoms , what an idiot you must feel like right now.

          Am surprised you’ve heard of logic considering everything you’ve said has been illogical and based on silly antisemitic myths. 

          As for you’re evidence of evil being Israel, you have not managed to show how Israel is evil I managed to show that in less than a month Jordan killed more Palestinians than has Israel in 50 years. See I only sought to put your savagery into perspective I never said Zionism is good or bad, just that it is significantly better than anything the Arabs have come up with, as i said earlier I don’t even consider myself a zionist and as I said earlier I don’t think what happened to Palestinians was necessary fair but considering how savage a people Arabs in general are and how Palestinians fit in that too, I find it hard to sympathies with them. And considering they continue their charade and antisemitic slaughter fantasies to this day I don’t see why any decent human being should.
          I mean Herzl a hundred years ago wanted to give people equal rights andprotect their freedom of religion (that must get on your nerves), your average Arab leader wanted to create a “momentous massacre” the likes of which history has never seen when they started their war.
          Its not really hard to see why anyone would side with Jews and Zionists over these savage people.

          As for the rest of your drivel like the whole Jews are responsible for all world tragedies and murder and the “Iraq war” and the ‘ french genocide’ and am sure global warming too ( they do that after they finish drinking Arab blood and when they are taking a break from poisoning the minds of Arab youth and controlling the world and its media with their treacherous plots lol) 
          That drivel just shows your true colors. And only prove everything I said about you and your ilk. Am surprised it took you so long to voice them out. 

          I said multiple times that there were Zionist extremists, I only sought to put things in context, when we say zionist extremist we are using a humane scale of extremism relative to the civilized world not a savage arab scale. Jewish extremists protest gay marriage, your average arab moderate wants to stone gay people. Jewish extremists might write graffiti on Muslim graves, average Arabs who are moderate on the arab scale of savagery want to stone people who practice freedom of religion. 

          Even a hundred years ago Herzl was a better human being than most Arab and Palestinian leaders (if not all of them) and this is why there is still conflict today.

      • No Water For Gentiles

         Why does your religion deny water to non-jews?

        “Daily per capita water consumption in the West Bank for domestic, urban, and industrial use is some 73 liters. In areas in the northern West Bank, consumption is much lower. In 2008, per capita daily consumption was 44 liters in the Jenin area and 37 liters in the Tubas area. There is a huge disparity between Israeli and Palestinian consumption. Per capita water consumption in Israeli towns is 242 liters and in local councils, 211 liters. In other words, per capita use in Israel is three and a half times higher than in the West Bank.”

        http://www.btselem.org/water/consumption_gap

      • Shopping at Gentile Graves

         Why do you get offended and frenzied when racist slogans are painted on Jewish graves but your religion permits you to discrete gentile graves to build shopping malls for Israelis?

        “On Monday, student activists examined the remains of a Palestinian cemetery that had been uprooted and mostly destroyed to make space for a shopping center and new student dorms for Tel Aviv University (TAU).”

         http://palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=19418

  • Zaid

    First of all I want to thank you for helping my argument with your depraved but idiotic posts.  Your obsession with quotes from Herzl and Jabotinsky are quite childish considering your history is littered with war crimes and crimes against humanity. As if a quote or lack thereof will vindicate you on the day of reckoning which at this rate of change in the Arab world seems closer than ever.

    But to shut you up, below are some quotes about/from what Herzel and Jabotinsky. The humane Herzel wanted to starve non-jews into mass exodus while the rabid Jabotinsky wanted a greater Israel by use of terror.

    This is what Theodore Herzl said about starving gentiles as a method of mass transfer of non-jews. This strategy is now in full force in Gaza:

    “We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly.” (America And The Founding Of Israel, p. 49, Righteous Victims, p. 21-22)

     A Historical Survey of Proposals to Transfer Arabs from Palestine
     1895 – 1947 by Rabbi Dr. Chaim Simons
     http://chaimsimons.net/transfer.html

    ——————————————–
    Boston: Jabotinsky’s ghost

    “Jabotinsky split the Zionist movement in the 1920s, preaching a “Greater Israel,” with a Jewish majority outweighing the Arab population, to be won by force and guarded, in his famous phrase, by an “Iron Wall.”"

    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2006/08/13/jabotinskys_ghost/?page=full

    —————————————–

    as for your stupid refugee math, the right of return does not end with the death of the first generation of victims. If that were the case,  you have no argument with the Germans anymore. Also if your moronic logic is applied, every ZioNazi-like state in the world would just expel any unwanted ethnic or religious group then wait for the death of the first generation of victims to escape any legal and moral liability. the Geneva convention is clear on your ZioNazi war crimes. There’s no statute of limitation on the rights for victims of Zionist armed robbery and their descendents.

    • ArabvsJew2

      Lol, my obsession? you have to be kidding me, it was yourself that kept bringing up those two men probably because you’ve never heard of any other ‘zionist’ and like your average ignorant Arab, you read less than 18 pages per year. But am glad that at least now you bothered to bring up some quotes or more accurately famous misquotes to support your silly lies.

      First though, you should know by now that Israeli history is far brighter than Arab history and is not nearly riddled with as many crimes and and war crimes as well as crimes against humanity that continue in almost every Arab country today where basic freedoms like freedom of speech, freedom of religion or even equal rights for women are still considered western and Zionist evil plots attacking Islam lol, I mean we are speaking about countries like Jordan and Morocco who recently both shared with the world two amusing stories about raped women being forced to marry their rapists as to protect their owners and their societies convoluted concept of honor. I will maintain that Jewish history is far better than that of Arabs at any point in time and I doubt even you would dispute that. I mean look at whats happening today (that is besides the countless crimes against humanity that are law in most Arab and Islamic countries),. .Look at your Islamic Spring and what it has brought so far, look at Syria,  Syrians alone in one year and 4 months have killed 19000 people 
      and the death toll is increasing on a daily basis, contrast that with the number of both Palestinians and Israelis killed since 1948 in the Israeli Palestinian conflict, both israeli and Palestinian fatalities together are less than 20 thousand, (check wiki’s page titled Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its sources, if you dispute that I would be interested in your sources and numbers),  these deaths increased significantly on both sides when Palestinians resorted to terrorism during the intifada. Or contrast that with the 20 thousand people killed in a month by Jordan during Black September. Unlike Syria and Jordan though Israel does not intentionally target civilians and thus the significantly small death toll, it obviously kills much less people, because it targets mainly terrorists, and much of those thousands of people are just that, terrorists who resort like cowards to hiding behind civilians very openly resulting in collateral civilian deaths. And the thing is even though the death rate is incredibly low all things considered, there wouldn’t be any deaths if Arabs renounce terrorism and stop fantasizing about slaughtering jews with the help of talking gardaq trees and silly reckoning days.

      Secondly; about those quotes or misquotes; I actually refered to your Herzl misrepresentation in my previous posts on here but since you bring it up I should give the whole quote to show how manipulative and deceitful your average Palestinian propogandists are 

      For the Herzl quote; it is taken from his private diary not from the first congress like you claimed moreover it obviously doesn’t say that he wants to starve people to death like you again lied, and as proffesor 
      Efraim Karsh  notes;
      “Herzl’s diary entry makes no mention of either Arabs or Palestine, and for good reason. A careful reading of Herzl’s diary entries for June 1895 reveals that, at the time, he did not consider Palestine to be the future site of Jewish resettlement but rather South America. ”

      Heres the full entry; 

      When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of immovable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back.It goes without saying that we shall respectfully tolerate persons of other faiths and protect their property, their honor, and their freedom with the harshest means of coercion. This is another area in which we shall set the entire old world a wonderful example. …Estate owners who are attached to their soil … will be offered a complete transplantation–to any place they wish, like our own people. …If this offer is not accepted either, no harm will be done. … we shall simply leave them thereboth previous quotes are taken from CAMERA’s article jsut google the quote for the original citations.This is hardly someone who wants to kill, kick or starve people like you lied, in fact he is a much more decent human being than pretty much every Palestinian and Arab leader of that period even up until today I cannot think of a single Palestinian leader that is more decent of human being than him, but considering that slaughtering Jews is still a mainstream Arab fantasy and killing people to stop their freedom of religion is a current Arab reality its not like he has any competition on the Arab side even today. On the Jewish and Zionist side there have been much better leaders and people than him, like again Eisenstein but he sadly didn’t have as much influence.As for Jabotinsky, he was obviously on the extremist end of things and as you know there is no Greater Israel Today not because Israel couldn’t squash the silly arab armies and kick all people living there but because as even your source claims he was shunned by mainstream Zionists but even he and his extremism (relative to mainstream Zionism) tames compared to your average Arab leaders that I quoted previously who all openly stated their plan to slaughter all the jews, he; ”In 1934, for example, Jabotinsky’s Revisionist Party prepared a draft constitution for Jewish Palestine that put the Arab minority on an equal footing with its Jewish counterpart “throughout all sectors of the country’s public life.” The two communities were to share the state’s duties, both military and civil service, and enjoy its prerogatives. Jabotinsky proposed that Hebrew and Arabic should enjoy equal rights and that “in every cabinet where the prime minister is a Jew, the vice-premiership shall be offered to an Arab and vice versa.” Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Jewish War Front (London: Allen and Unwin, 1940), pp. 216-7. taken from http://www.meforum.org/711/benny-morriss-reign-of-error-revisited#_ftn23 of course Benny Morris is the guy who gave only half of the first Herzl misquote, misrepresenting it.As I said in my earlier posts while revisionist Zionism is extremist it is not surprising why it came to be, considering the savage terroristic reality the jews were faced by and continue to face today am actually more impressed with Israelis today because the ideology is not supported by most Israelis today and wasn’t mainstream in the past.I mean they are facing these people;”This will be a  war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the crusades.”  considering this war of extermination was started by Arabs to do just that, I can’t say i feel sorry that the Arabs lost..”as for your stupid refugee math, the right of return does not end with the death of the first generation of victims”. Actually it does, there is no such thing internationally as a second generation refugee, a refugee Only UNRWA and only Palestinians are counted as refugees in their second and third generation, there are a million Jews kicked from the Arab world,  their descendants today are not refugees. Get it? its not too hard of a concept to grasp.”If that were the case,  you have no argument with the Germans”like I said am not Israeli or Jewish, but I agree thankfully Germany today is among the biggest allies of Israel in Europe, that’s where Israel gets its Nuclear submarines ;d ”anymore. Also if your moronic logic is applied, every ZioNazi-like state in the world would just expel any unwanted ethnic or religious group then wait for the death of the first generation of victims to escape any legal and moral liability. the Geneva convention is clear on your ZioNazi war crimes. There’s no statute of limitation on the rights for victims of Zionist armed robbery and their descendants. ”Israel didn’t kick them, only a minority of them were kicked by soldiers, most became refugees because their leaders told them to leave like the quote from the Iraqi leader I showed you clearly states all my friends’ grandparents left because of that, the rest left because they were scared because of the war, most of the people who stayed and agreed to live peacefully are now Israeli citizens, with there descendants they make up 20% of all Israelis, the druze who were persecuted by Arabs agreed to live in peace with jews and now they openly serve in the Israeli army, in fact there are special units for them. Hence the belief in the Arab world that 48 Palis are “traitors”.  Had the Arabs not started the war and agreed to live in peace ALL of them would not have had to leave for any reason. And would have probably made up a big majority of Israeli citizens today. It sucks that this Arab war of extermination was started by them, it sucks that most of them believed their leaders when they told them to leave and wait for the slaughter, it sucks for you and your antisemtic ilk that they failed to push jews into the sea but it was not something Israel did, it was something that was self inflicted. As for second and third generation refugees and right of return please give me proof that the Geneva convention includes those. It would be easy to do  and please don’t waste my time with entire random sites and silly excuses of wheels and inventing as if an Arab can invent anything lols, the laws are easy to find on the internet so it’d be easy to provide them.

      • Ted

         You brag about your history but you forget that you started the first  documented act of genocide in the holy land:

        “50) On the plains of Moab by the Jordan across from Jericho the Lord said to Moses, 51) “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you cross the Jordan into Canaan, 52) drive out all the inhabitants of the land before you.”

        Then you try to explain Hazel’s quote using the dumbest and most idiotic logic I have every heard using right wing zionist sources, people like you who claim Zionists can commit no evil, see no evil and of course commit no evil. The smoking gun is called Israel and Zionism and your non-stop history of violent racial supremacy. As for your other humane achivements you gave the world communism, the other violent fanatical ideology responsible for exterminating millions upon millions of innocent human beings. You want to deny that too? Then you gave us the Iraq war (we all know who neocons are) the most brutal genocide in the Arab world since the French genocide in Algiers. Your handiwork was never limited to Palestine.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/YI53EKUPE5DQRXVTGYXV3ZTDT4 joana

          Actually it is not documented because the source you quoted is the bible which also tells us about speaking snakes and worlds created in 6 days and magical trees and world floods and other myths, which even according to Muslims have been altered and changed. Moreover like I mentioned for what seems like the hundred time, the story is also mentioned in the Quran so either both scriptures and Gods are horrible or the Quran’s story is good while the biblical distorted and didn’t happen.

          Of course as far as evidence goes, this supposed massacre and ethnic cleansing never happened and outside of silly childish myths there is nothing to support that and archaeologists and historians agree on that. Keep quoting the same text all you want it doesn’t make it true, see this is why you still are perceived as living in tents and bedding goats its because you have no respect for science and rather accept silly stories told by men who failed tawjihi and accept whatever is said in your holy books and whatever interpretation is given by an idiot with a beard no question asked and no evidence required. Luckily the civilized world including Israel doesn’t function like that any more and that’s why stories about arresting flying witches is only confined to primitive minded people of arab countries (no kidding this is an actual incident in Saudi, lol)

          As for Herzl, there was nothing silly of me quoting the entire original source, I didn’t actually give any excuse I only gave the full entry from his journal which you cut up and gave only half of , taking it out of context completely to support your silly lies. Its amazing how you are denouncing the original source of both quotes which is of course his original frikin diary as a Zionist source. You do not see how idiotic that sounds? believe me I know you aren’t particularly known for your wits but really I think there is no way to dig yourself out of this hole. Not only Herzl didn’t support starving people death like you claimed, but in that same entry you quoted  he clearly states he is against kicking people by force, and want to make Israel an example by by protecting people’s freedoms, what an idiot you must feel like right now.

          As for the rest of your antisemtic drivel like the ‘Jews are responsible for all world tragedies and murder I don’t think they should be dignified with any response.;D it jsut shows your true colors. And only prove everything I said about you and your ilk.

          I said multiple times that there were Zionist extremists, I only sought to put things in context, when we say zionist extremist we are using a humane scale of extremism relative to the civilized world not a savage arab scale. Jewish extremists protest gay marriage, your average arab moderate stones gay people. Get it? there is a supplemental difference, even a hundred years ago Herzl was a more decent human being and leader than almost any leader Palestinians have come up with.

        • Dan

          Zionists will take credit for Einstein’s and Larry Ellison’s ingenuity but don’t even dare to associate them with Lenin or William Kristol or Norman Podhoretz or other genocidal war mongers. It’s that selective history problem.

        • ArabvsJew

          Actually it is not “documented” because the source you quoted is the bible which also tells us about speaking snakes and worlds created in 6 days and magical trees and world floods and other myths, which even according to Muslims have been altered and changed by christians and jews. Moreover like I mentioned for what seems like the hundred time, the story is also mentioned in the Quran so either both scriptures and Gods are horrible or the Quran’s story is good while the biblical one is distorted and didn’t happen.

          Of course as far as evidence goes, this supposed massacre and ethnic cleansing never happened and outside of silly childish myths  there is nothing to support it, current archaeologists and historians agree on that. Keep quoting the same text all you want it doesn’t make it true, see this is why you still are perceived as living in tents and bedding goats its because you have no respect for science and rather accept silly stories told by men who failed tawjihi. Luckily the civilized world they no longer functions like that, that’s why stories about arresting flying witches is only confined to primitive minded people of arab countries (no kidding this is an actual incident in Saudi, I’ll give you the original newspaper source if you want, or I might just grow a beard and say God said so and that would be all the evidence and “logic” you people need, lol)

          As for Herzl, there was nothing silly of me quoting the entire original source, I didn’t actually give any excuse I only showed how you were lying through your teeth and I gave the full quote from his journal  the one your source takes out of context and cuts up most of it distorting it completely, to support your silly arab lies (I understand though why you’d do it, you need to be deceitful if you want people to take up your poorly disguised antisemitic terroristic cause) Its amazing how you are denouncing the original source of both quotes which is of course his original frikin diary as a ‘Zionist’ source. You do not see how idiotic that sounds? believe me I know you aren’t particularly known for your wits but really I think there is no way to dig yourself out of this hole. Not only Herzl didn’t support starving people death like you claimed, but in that same entry you quoted  he clearly states he is against kicking people by force, and want to make Israel an example by by protecting other people’s freedoms , what an idiot you must feel like right now.

          Am surprised you’ve heard of logic considering everything you’ve said has been illogical and based on silly antisemitic myths. 

          As for you’re evidence of evil being Israel, you have not managed to show how Israel is evil I managed to show that in less than a month Jordan killed more Palestinians than has Israel in 50 years. See I only sought to put your savagery into perspective I never said Zionism is good or bad, just that it is significantly better than anything the Arabs have come up with, as i said earlier I don’t even consider myself a zionist and as I said earlier I don’t think what happened to Palestinians was necessary fair but considering how savage a people Arabs in general are and how Palestinians fit in that too, I find it hard to sympathies with them. And considering they continue their charade and antisemitic slaughter fantasies to this day I don’t see why any decent human being should.
          I mean Herzl a hundred years ago wanted to give people equal rights andprotect their freedom of religion (that must get on your nerves), your average Arab leader wanted to create a “momentous massacre” the likes of which history has never seen when they started their war.
          Its not really hard to see why anyone would side with Jews and Zionists over these savage people.

          As for the rest of your drivel like the whole Jews are responsible for all world tragedies and murder and the “Iraq war” and the ‘ french genocide’ and am sure global warming too ( they do that after they finish drinking Arab blood and when they are taking a break from poisoning the minds of Arab youth and controlling the world and its media with their treacherous plots lol) 
          That drivel just shows your true colors. And only prove everything I said about you and your ilk. Am surprised it took you so long to voice them out. 

          I said multiple times that there were Zionist extremists, I only sought to put things in context, when we say zionist extremist we are using a humane scale of extremism relative to the civilized world not a savage arab scale. Jewish extremists protest gay marriage, your average arab moderate wants to stone gay people. Jewish extremists might write graffiti on Muslim graves, average Arabs who are moderate on the arab scale of savagery want to stone people who practice freedom of religion. 

          Even a hundred years ago Herzl was a better human being than most Arab and Palestinian leaders (if not all of them) and this is why there is still conflict today.

      • No Water For Gentiles

         Why does your religion deny water to non-jews?

        “Daily per capita water consumption in the West Bank for domestic, urban, and industrial use is some 73 liters. In areas in the northern West Bank, consumption is much lower. In 2008, per capita daily consumption was 44 liters in the Jenin area and 37 liters in the Tubas area. There is a huge disparity between Israeli and Palestinian consumption. Per capita water consumption in Israeli towns is 242 liters and in local councils, 211 liters. In other words, per capita use in Israel is three and a half times higher than in the West Bank.”

        http://www.btselem.org/water/consumption_gap

      • Shopping at Gentile Graves

         Why do you get offended and frenzied when racist slogans are painted on Jewish graves but your religion permits you to discrete gentile graves to build shopping malls for Israelis?

        “On Monday, student activists examined the remains of a Palestinian cemetery that had been uprooted and mostly destroyed to make space for a shopping center and new student dorms for Tel Aviv University (TAU).”

         http://palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=19418